Russia & Ukraine
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They not letting him into their club:
Nato summit: Allies refuse to give Ukraine timeframe on joining
Nato summit: Allies refuse to give Ukraine timeframe on joining
USA losing badly in Ukraine right now
Resorting to war crimes like cluster bombs is really sign of desperation.
Did you have the same sentiment when Russia was using cluster munition in residential areas?
I am sure you will answer.
So how desperate would that make Russia who has been using them for over a year?
Irrespective what Russia did USA commits war crimes in Ukraine
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According to the Cluster Munition Coalition, an international civil society that monitors their usage, 16 countries still produce cluster munitions and have yet to commit to never producing them in the future. As of this year, 111 countries have signed and ratified the Convention on Cluster Munitions, which bans the use, production and stockpiling of cluster munitions. Russia, the US and Ukraine have not signed the convention.
What does the convention say?
The convention prohibits countries that have ratified it from using, developing, producing, acquiring, stockpiling or retaining cluster munitions, or transferring them to other countries. It allows weapons with submunitions as long as they have fewer than 10 submunitions that weigh more than 4 kilograms (8.8 pounds) and that have the ability to detect and engage single targets.
Why isn’t the US a member of the convention?
The US military considers cluster munitions to be an effective and efficient weapon, and it considers the risk of unexploded ordinance to be acceptable. A policy under then-President Barack Obama sought to eliminate US cluster munitions with a failure rate above 1%, but this policy was canceled under his successor, Donald Trump. The DPICM rounds that will be used in Ukraine were last used by the US in 2003 in the invasion of Iraq and have a failure rate of 3%.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...ac1352-1f50-11ee-8994-4b2d0b694a34_story.html
The use of cluster munitions is not a war crime, where did you get that from?
What does the convention say?
The convention prohibits countries that have ratified it from using, developing, producing, acquiring, stockpiling or retaining cluster munitions, or transferring them to other countries. It allows weapons with submunitions as long as they have fewer than 10 submunitions that weigh more than 4 kilograms (8.8 pounds) and that have the ability to detect and engage single targets.
Why isn’t the US a member of the convention?
The US military considers cluster munitions to be an effective and efficient weapon, and it considers the risk of unexploded ordinance to be acceptable. A policy under then-President Barack Obama sought to eliminate US cluster munitions with a failure rate above 1%, but this policy was canceled under his successor, Donald Trump. The DPICM rounds that will be used in Ukraine were last used by the US in 2003 in the invasion of Iraq and have a failure rate of 3%.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...ac1352-1f50-11ee-8994-4b2d0b694a34_story.html
The use of cluster munitions is not a war crime, where did you get that from?
The White House spokesperson for Biden said so last year.
But obviously its only war crime when the other side does it, not when we do it, when we do it we can always come up with a reason to justify it.