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Russia may base bombers in Cuba
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If we decide another Bay of Pigs approach lets have Limbaugh take the point with Coulter, Hannity O'Reilly and all the Neo Cons right behind.
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I don't know what to think about this.Sure they want to test Obama,buts its really Brzezinski,Gates and Jones that are calling the shots for Obama's foreign policy.These men are not wimps and the Russians know it
Are you kidding? Brzezenski was National Security Advisor for Carter. The russkies ran all over him. At the end of the day, the President is CinC and has to make the tough call.
It is important to understand the actual power of Russia before anyone can understand the amount of significance and the degree of threat Russia poses by basing bombers in Cuba. A Swedish study carried out a detailed survey of Russian military capability in 2005. It showed that Russia has an army capable of carrying out an offensive or defensive role with the amount of 150,000 troops. That was in 2005. In 2008 Russia's military spending had risen to around 50% of all spending and Putin Plans on raising that much higher. The UK only spends 1.8% on their military. There is no doubt in the next decade Russia will have more military power than all the nations in Europe combined and will be very close if not equal to the military power of America.
As a side point Russia and China have firm relations and China is planning on increasing it's military spending 20% in the next year. If you want to feel even more comfortable than find a recent and translated Chinese military textbook/journal and you will find countless hypothetical attack scenarios on the US. "Because the American public is âabnormally sensitiveâ about military casualties, according to an article in Chinaâs Liberation Army Daily, killing U.S. airmen or other personnel would spark a âdomestic anti-war cryâ on the home front and possibly force early withdrawal of U.S. forces."
The bottom line is that soon China and Russia will be able to dictate whatever world they want whether brutal or free because the EU and America are serving it to them on a silver platter.
As a side point Russia and China have firm relations and China is planning on increasing it's military spending 20% in the next year. If you want to feel even more comfortable than find a recent and translated Chinese military textbook/journal and you will find countless hypothetical attack scenarios on the US. "Because the American public is âabnormally sensitiveâ about military casualties, according to an article in Chinaâs Liberation Army Daily, killing U.S. airmen or other personnel would spark a âdomestic anti-war cryâ on the home front and possibly force early withdrawal of U.S. forces."
The bottom line is that soon China and Russia will be able to dictate whatever world they want whether brutal or free because the EU and America are serving it to them on a silver platter.
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US did not win shit in Iraq. 800 billion figure you cited is hopelessly naive. It does not take into account interest, medical expenses paid @ Walter Reed and other places, cost to replace/repair broken equipment, lost economic opportunities ("guns vs butter"), etc.
Like I said, spending a trillion& 5000+ dead to remove saddam hussein from power is demented.
Comparing it to WWII shows your ignorance.
Guns vs Butter, really, LOL. The economy was stellar under Bush. Guys like you were telling us it was a depression all along of course but basically it was stellar by all measures most of the years...
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The bottom line is that soon China and Russia will be able to dictate whatever world they want whether brutal or free because the EU and America are serving it to them on a silver platter.
Sure, they see another Jimmy Carter in office. Jimmy gave the Panama Canal and the port of Long Beach to the Red Chinese or somesuch, it's all so weird I can't believe it myself...
BO is fulfilling the second term of Jimmy Carter and the fourth term of Roosevelt. Carter was the biggest New World Order minion ever, until now...
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Are you kidding? Brzezenski was National Security Advisor for Carter. The russkies ran all over him. At the end of the day, the President is CinC and has to make the tough call.
Can you please explain how Russia Ran all over Carter or Brzezinski ?
Brzezinski Masterminded the plan to make Russia go to War with Afghanistan.Keep Russia tied down with an Iraq/Vietnam type war thus making them weaker against the US
Carter by threat of force also prevented Russia from expanding into the persion gulf.Reagan expanded many of Carters programs that dealt with Russia.
"Carter's national security advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, has stated that the U.S. effort to aid the mujahideen was preceded by an effort to draw the Soviets into a costly and presumably distracting Vietnam War-like conflict. In a 1998 interview with the French news magazine Le Nouvel Observateur, Brzezinski recalled: "We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would... That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Soviets into the Afghan trap... The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter, "We now have the opportunity of giving to the Soviet Union its Vietnam War."
The Carter Doctrine was a policy proclaimed by President of the United States Jimmy Carter in his State of the Union Address on January 23 1980, which stated that the United States would use military force if necessary to defend its national interests in the Persian Gulf region. The doctrine was a response to the 1979 invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviet Union, and was intended to deter the Soviet Unionâthe Cold War adversary of the United Statesâfrom seeking hegemony in the Persian Gulf. After stating that Soviet troops in Afghanistan posed "a grave threat to the free movement of Middle East oil," Carter proclaimed:
The region which is now threatened by Soviet troops in Afghanistan is of great strategic importance: It contains more than two-thirds of the world's exportable oil. The Soviet effort to dominate Afghanistan has brought Soviet military forces to within 300 miles of the Indian Ocean and close to the Straits of Hormuz, a waterway through which most of the world's oil must flow. The Soviet Union is now attempting to consolidate a strategic position, therefore, that poses a grave threat to the free movement of Middle East oil.
"Let our position be absolutely clear: Any attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests of the United States of America, and such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force. "
This last, key sentence of the Carter Doctrine, was written by Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Carter's National Security Adviser. Brzezinski modeled the wording of the Carter Doctrine on the Truman Doctrine,[1] and insisted that the sentence be included in the speech "to make it very clear that the Soviets should stay away from the Persian Gulf."[2]
. The Carter administration began to build up the Rapid Deployment Force, which would eventually become CENTCOM. In the interim, the administration expanded the U.S. naval presence in the Persian Gulf and the Indian Ocean.
Carter's successor, President Ronald Reagan, extended the policy in October 1981 with what is sometimes called the "Reagan Corollary to the Carter Doctrine", which proclaimed that the United States would intervene to protect Saudi Arabia, whose security was threatened after the outbreak of the IranâIraq War. Thus, while the Carter Doctrine warned away outside forces from the region, the Reagan Corollary pledged to secure internal stability.
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Can you please explain how Russia Ran all over Carter or Brzezinski ?
Brzezinski Masterminded the plan to make Russia go to War with Afghanistan.Keep Russia tied down with an Iraq/Vietnam type war thus making them weaker against the US
Carter by threat of force also prevented Russia from expanding into the persion gulf.Reagan expanded many of Carters programs that dealt with Russia.
"Carter's national security advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, has stated that the U.S. effort to aid the mujahideen was preceded by an effort to draw the Soviets into a costly and presumably distracting Vietnam War-like conflict. In a 1998 interview with the French news magazine Le Nouvel Observateur, Brzezinski recalled: "We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would... That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Soviets into the Afghan trap... The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter, "We now have the opportunity of giving to the Soviet Union its Vietnam War."
The Carter Doctrine was a policy proclaimed by President of the United States Jimmy Carter in his State of the Union Address on January 23 1980, which stated that the United States would use military force if necessary to defend its national interests in the Persian Gulf region. The doctrine was a response to the 1979 invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviet Union, and was intended to deter the Soviet Unionâthe Cold War adversary of the United Statesâfrom seeking hegemony in the Persian Gulf. After stating that Soviet troops in Afghanistan posed "a grave threat to the free movement of Middle East oil," Carter proclaimed:
The region which is now threatened by Soviet troops in Afghanistan is of great strategic importance: It contains more than two-thirds of the world's exportable oil. The Soviet effort to dominate Afghanistan has brought Soviet military forces to within 300 miles of the Indian Ocean and close to the Straits of Hormuz, a waterway through which most of the world's oil must flow. The Soviet Union is now attempting to consolidate a strategic position, therefore, that poses a grave threat to the free movement of Middle East oil.
"Let our position be absolutely clear: Any attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests of the United States of America, and such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force. "
This last, key sentence of the Carter Doctrine, was written by Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Carter's National Security Adviser. Brzezinski modeled the wording of the Carter Doctrine on the Truman Doctrine,[1] and insisted that the sentence be included in the speech "to make it very clear that the Soviets should stay away from the Persian Gulf."[2]
. The Carter administration began to build up the Rapid Deployment Force, which would eventually become CENTCOM. In the interim, the administration expanded the U.S. naval presence in the Persian Gulf and the Indian Ocean.
Carter's successor, President Ronald Reagan, extended the policy in October 1981 with what is sometimes called the "Reagan Corollary to the Carter Doctrine", which proclaimed that the United States would intervene to protect Saudi Arabia, whose security was threatened after the outbreak of the IranâIraq War. Thus, while the Carter Doctrine warned away outside forces from the region, the Reagan Corollary pledged to secure internal stability.
Jimmy Carter is a profoundly honorable man who got screwed by history. When US needed an honest person post Nixon (I dont look at Ford as independent president as much as he is a consequence of Nixon resignation), Carter was there. He walked into some brutal shit economy wise and was honest with the american people but american people paid him back by thinking he was weak.
It says a lot about US that W got two terms and Carter one.
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Guns vs Butter, really, LOL. The economy was stellar under Bush. Guys like you were telling us it was a depression all along of course but basically it was stellar by all measures most of the years...
"Economy under Bush" was a fantasy built on the housing bubble. It also unraveled under Bush.
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Jimmy Carter is a profoundly honorable man who got screwed by history. When US needed an honest person post Nixon (I don't look at Ford as independent president as much as he is a consequence of Nixon resignation), Carter was there. He walked into some brutal shit economy wise and was honest with the american people but american people paid him back by thinking he was weak.
It says a lot about US that W got two terms and Carter one.
I agree
The energy crisis was not his fault,but just imagine if Russia had decided to go beyond Afghanistan and take over other middle eastern countries.Imagine gas prices if Russia had went beyond Afghanistan and Russia in control of middle eastern oil...Carter and Brzezinski prevented that.Its likely that Carter had intelligence that Russia had plans to go farther into the middle east for him to make the announcement that the US would prevent that
The Afghanistan War weakened Russia and possibly did more to lead to their collapse then anything Reagan did.Carter and Brzezinski was responsible for weakening the biggest threat that America faced
I don't see how somebody can say Carter and Brzezinski was run over or weak against Russia