Royal Carribean Caves to DeSantis - will sail from Florida without requiring Vax Passports

[ElCubano]

Let's be sure you still understand the following:

1) ALL passengers on Royal Caribbean will still be required to provide their vaccination status and proof of it if they claim to be vaccinated. Those who are not vaccinated will be required to go through addition testing and follow other protocols on the ships -- which may include wearing a mask. “Those who are unvaccinated or unable to verify vaccination will be required to undergo testing and follow other protocols."

2) Royal Caribbean caters to families. Many children cannot be vaccinated yet. Due to this Royal Caribbean has followed the test cruise protocol to allow the cruise line to avoid having to stick with a 95% threshold for passenger vaccinations -- assuming CDC approval.

3) Celebrity Cruise lines, a subsidiary of RCL, is doing the first cruises out of Florida in late June. Celebrity Cruises still requires proof of vaccination and will meet the 95% threshold. Celebrity caters to an older crowd with fewer children onboard.


P.S. -- I thought you claimed to never read the Miami Herald which you claim to be a liberal anti-DeSantis rag. I guess this is why you tried to hide the source and did not provide the url in clear text.

And the testing requirements, uploading into website etc., will be like jumping through hoops stressful to say the least. You're going to want to be vaccinated just to avoid that stress.

 

[gwb-trading]

And the testing requirements, uploading into website etc., will be like jumping through hoops stressful to say the least. You're going to want to be vaccinated just to avoid that stress.

You already have to upload your signed cruise documentation prior your cruise. This has been in place for years. Adding one more item -- a scan of your vaccination card -- to the list is not stressful.

You can avoid the testing requirements and other protocols on a cruise simply by being vaccinated.

 

[ElCubano]

You already have to upload your signed cruise documentation prior your cruise. This has been in place for years. Adding one more item -- a scan of your vaccination card -- to the list is not stressful.

You can avoid the testing requirements and other protocols on a cruise simply by being vaccinated.

If you are not vaccinated I meant.

You have to get covid testing no more than 5 days before departure and up load it to get a visa to the country you are entering. Like lets say the Bahamas will require it if you will get off the boat. I just went to Bimini and trust me uploading shit to the website and waiting days before you depart is pretty stressful. maybe its different for cruise ships don't know.

 

[jem]

You are a lying moron who then lies some more... to cover up.


You are worse that a soviet propagandist you idiot..
no one is arguing about whether someone has to prove they are vaccinated, if they are vaccinated..

This was about having to be vaccinated to be on the ship at all.

Your reading comprehension is very poor. PROOF OF VACCINATION IS STILL REQUIRED.

Royal Caribbean still requires proof of vaccination if you claim to be vaccinated. They did not bend to DeSantis' will -- they simply decided to go the "test cruise" route so a 95% threshold of vaccinated passengers would not be required. They did this because they cater to families and many kids cannot be vaccinated yet.

Seeing even under a 95% threshold -- passengers were not required to be vaccinated (5% were allowed to not be) -- your nonsense does not even make sense.

 

[gwb-trading]

If you are not vaccinated I meant.

You have to get covid testing no more than 5 days before departure and up load it to get a visa to the country you are entering. Like lets say the Bahamas will require it if you will get off the boat. I just went to Bimini and trust me uploading shit to the website and waiting days before you depart is pretty stressful. maybe its different for cruise ships don't know.

Yes... I hear you. The cruise paper work burden will not be much different. I agree that traveling by air to many Caribbean locations recently is a pain with requires for PCR test proof and other documentation required prior your visit, etc -- all while waiting at the last moment for approval, etc.

There is also the issue that a number of countries will not let cruise ships to dock unless 95% of the passengers are vaccinated. This may limit cruise itineraries in the short term -- until a higher percentage of the population in common destinations are vaccinated.

 

[gwb-trading]

You are a lying moron who then lies some more... to cover up.


You are worse that a soviet propagandist you idiot..
no one is arguing about whether someone has to prove they are vaccinated, if they are vaccinated..

This was about having to be vaccinated to be on the ship at all.

Let's carefully read the statement from Royal Caribbean again:
“Those who are unvaccinated or unable to verify vaccination will be required to undergo testing and follow other protocols, which will be announced at a later date.”

There was never a requirement to be vaccinated to be on the ship at all -- you are spouting nonsense. The cruise lines required that 95% of the passengers be vaccinated.

The only way for cruise lines (like RCL) to avoid this threshold was to conduct test cruises with CDC review of their safety protocols and results.

 

[jem]

you are lying your ass off.

you are now purposely conflating CDC guidelines with the the idea that Cruise ship companies were going to require proof of vaccination to board.

what fucking piece of shit, integrity free liar you are.


remember we were debating what private companies can do vs the law.

you are such a fucking asshole. really.

Let's carefully read the statement from Royal Caribbean again:
“Those who are unvaccinated or unable to verify vaccination will be required to undergo testing and follow other protocols, which will be announced at a later date.”

There was never a requirement to be vaccinated to be on the ship at all -- you are spouting nonsense. The cruise lines required that 95% of the passengers be vaccinated.

The only way for cruise lines (like RCL) to avoid this threshold was to conduct test cruises with CDC review of their safety protocols and results.

 

[gwb-trading]

you are lying your ass off.

you are confusing CDC guidelines with the the idea that Cruise ship companies were going to require proof of vaccination to board.

what fucking piece of shit integrity free liar you are.

I am not. The guidelines on the cruise line websites were very clear about the requirements and the 95% threshold. Guests 16 and older were required to be vaccinated unless they were 1) Opting out 2) Providing a medical excuse 3) Providing a religious excuse. The cruise lines provided clear alternatives regarding vaccinations -- as per CDC guidance. Those who were not vaccinated will be required to follow additional protocols including tests.

I will note that you still are required to provide proof of vaccination if you claim to be vaccinated. So get your vaccine passport ready. What is Ron DeSantis going to do about this?

 

[jem]

Ok fucking asshole... I knew you were going to lie so... I was already searching..

one second scan of your posts in search and I found this quote of yours..

you asshole... liar. faucist... commie..

The cruise lines have made it very clear they will not sail from Florida if DeSantis attempts to enforce "no vaccine passports". Especially since if they did sail the ships would be nearly empty because over 70% of passengers would refuse to step foot on a unvaccinated cruise.

Will DeSantis listen to the mayors of Florida's largest cities -- probably not.

South Florida mayors urge Gov. Ron DeSantis to reconsider vaccine rules for cruise lines
Mayors of Broward County, Fort Lauderdale, Hollywood fearful cruise lines won't return under governor's executive order
https://www.wptv.com/lifestyle/trav...-to-reconsider-vaccine-rules-for-cruise-lines

The mayors of a South Florida county and two of its cities have sent a letter to Gov. Ron DeSantis asking him to reconsider his refusal to allow cruise lines requiring passengers to be vaccinated to embark or disembark from Florida ports.

Broward County Mayor Steve Geller, Fort Lauderdale Mayor Dean Trantalis and Hollywood Mayor Josh Levy sent the letter to the governor Wednesday.

Calling the cruise industry "extremely important to Florida in general, and to Broward County in particular," the mayors applauded the governor's efforts to make the reopening of ports a priority.

"We agreed with you that the (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) needed to set forth guidelines to reopen the industry," they wrote. "In fact, Mayor Geller wrote to the Florida congressional delegation and the CDC asking them to provide reopening guidance so that cruises could once again sail from Florida."

However, now that the CDC has provided guidelines and cruise lines are resuming operations, DeSantis has said he won't exempt the cruise industry from his executive order prohibiting COVID-19 "vaccine passports."

A new Florida law, which takes effect July 1, would also impose a $5,000 fine each time a cruise ship passenger is required to present proof of vaccination as a condition for travel.

"The industry has made it clear that they will not sail from our ports unless they can ensure that their crew and passengers are vaccinated," Geller, Trantalis and Levy wrote. "Every indication that we have seen is that many passengers are not willing to start cruising again without knowing that their fellow passengers and the crew are vaccinated. We are extremely concerned that unless a resolution can be reached, this impasse over the rules will result in the loss of the cruise industry in Broward County and Florida overall."

Miami-based Norwegian Cruise Line has already threatened to skip Florida ports because of the governor's order.

DeSantis said last month that if smaller cruise lines choose to leave the state because of the ban on vaccine requirements, "that niche will get filled." He called Norwegian "not one of the bigger ones."

Geller, Trantalis and Levy said the cruise industry "wants to be able to assure their passengers that the crew and their fellow passengers are vaccinated."

"Our interests are in seeing the cruise ships sail again from Port Everglades, with the jobs and economic impact that this will bring to our county and cities," the mayors said.

They encouraged DeSantis "to come up with a solution that allows the industry to operate from our ports."

DeSantis announced in April that Florida was suing the CDC to end the cruise industry shutdown.

Hours after a federal court mediator declared an impasse in talks between the state and the CDC to settle the dispute, DeSantis blasted the national public health industry Thursday, saying the CDC "mothballed this industry for over a year" and has been "very unreasonable" during the mediation process.

"This whole vaccination issue is really, it's somewhat of a red herring, because, in their research, over 90% of the people that want to cruise have already been vaccinated at this point, so that's going to end up taking care of itself," DeSantis said during a news conference at Bill Baggs Cape Florida State Park in Key Biscayne. "You don't need to discriminate against people, and you shouldn't. CDC actually says, they count the kids. So people can't bring their families on these cruises?"

DeSantis also credited Florida's lawsuit with rejuvenating the cruise industry.

"Had we not done what we did by suing, you would not be talking about sailing right now," DeSantis said. "The CDC was not moving. They were not budging. They were non-responsive."

Geller, Trantalis and Levy concluded in their letter that their fear is DeSantis' "strict adherence" to his rules "will prevent what all four of us want, which is to reopen cruising in Florida."

DeSantis, however, was adamant that cruises will be sailing again soon.

"But there's not been a single elected official in this country who's done more to liberate the cruise lines from a bureaucracy that is totally out of touch and that, quite frankly, is exercising authority that they do not possess under the law," DeSantis said.

Read letter from mayors:

Dear Governor DeSantis:

We, the undersigned Mayors of Broward County, Fort Lauderdale and Hollywood, respectfully request that you reconsider your position against allowing the cruise industry to set sail pursuant to CDC guidelines. Port Everglades is located within the jurisdictional bounds of the three mayors, and we all consider reopening the port for cruise traffic to be extremely important to our county and cities.

As you know, the cruise industry is extremely important to Florida in general, and to Broward County in particular. We all applaud your past efforts to recognize this by making the reopening of ports in Florida a priority. We agreed with you that the CDC needed to set forth guidelines to reopen the industry. In fact, Mayor Geller wrote to the Florida Congressional Delegation and the CDC asking them to provide reopening guidance so that cruises could once again sail from Florida. The CDC has now provided guidelines, and the cruise companies are ready to begin sailing, which would have a huge positive impact on tourism, employment and our small businesses.

While the cruise lines are ready to set sail pursuant to CDC guidelines, they are currently prevented from doing so based on the state’s “No Vaccine Passport” rules. The industry has made it clear that they will not sail from our ports unless they can ensure that their crew and passengers are vaccinated. Every indication that we have seen is that many passengers are not willing to start cruising again without knowing that their fellow passengers and the crew are vaccinated. We are extremely concerned that unless a resolution can be reached, this impasse over the rules will result in the loss of the cruise industry in Broward County and Florida overall.

We know that you are a strong conservative that normally wants to let businesses operate without over-burdensome government regulations. The private sector cruise industry wants to be able to assure their passengers that the crew and their fellow passengers are vaccinated. The industry believes that without this requirement, passengers will not cruise.

Cruise ships are either interstate commerce or international commerce, and thus it seems to us that the federal government does have the right to regulate these activities, although the state may also have some concurrent jurisdiction. Our interests are in seeing the cruise ships sail again from Port Everglades, with the jobs and economic impact that this will bring to our county and cities.

We encourage you to come up with a solution that allows the industry to operate from our ports. We fear that strict adherence to “No Vaccine Passport” rules -- an issue that the private sector opposes and the federal government (which has jurisdiction) also opposes -- will prevent what all four of us want, which is to reopen cruising in Florida.

Thank you for your consideration of this important matter.

Sincerely,

Steve Geller
Broward County Mayor

Dean Trantalis
Fort Lauderdale Mayor

Josh Levy
Hollywood Mayor

 

[gwb-trading]

Ok fucking asshole... I knew you were going to lie so... I was already searching..

one second scan of your posts in search and I found this quote of yours..

you asshole... liar. faucist... commie..

Since the Royal Caribbean and all the other cruise lines still require vaccine passports if you claim to be vaccinated -- they have stuck it to DeSantis, who is actually powerless to take action because international cruises are strictly under federal regulatory oversight.

The cruise lines also keep in mind what their customers want -

Most Americans Would Specifically Look For A Cruise Line With A Vaccination Mandate, Per Survey
https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzann...ccination-mandate-per-survey/?sh=2101c026239f