Ron Paul What do you guys think?

[poyayan]

Quote from LT701:

ok, I'll take the bait

On the surface, most of what Ron Paul says is true.

But he supports increased LEGAL immigration guest workers/H-1b visas and voted for them. They're the greatest threat to the middle class. This is not an issue way in the past, it's forming now and threatens to snowball. The H-1b/outsourcing labor model is a threat to all white collar employment, it's a LABOR issue, not tech. Even if you aren't 'protectionist', wiping out that large of employment before figuring out what people will do instead will be a disaster for the middle class

I don't think you'll find many on this forum who dissagree with his comments on the Federal Reserve. I know I don't. But does anyone really think one man can get rid of it without having an 'accident', or at his age, perhaps 'health problems'? It's been in place for about 40% of the time of this nation. It's been in place for about 95% of the financial lives of all Americans living and dead.

Of course he's right about the middle east. But does anyone really think after 54 years of screwing with them we can say 'come to think of it, this is all our fault', and then they're going to give us a medal for our new honesty?

He's been in and out of congress since the 1970s. Yes, he's voted against all kinds of bad things, and yes that's great and would be terrific if more people did the same.

But he's proposing RADICAL changes in policy, even if they're in the right direction. What track record does he have in actually implementing changes on these issues after 30 years of trying? -> ZIP. Ever notice how that's never brought up?

With immigration/guest workers vs mideast policy and fed reserve, he's chasing the horse that long got away, but still leaving the barn door open for the horses still there

ok, flame away

For H-1b/outsourcing issue, you know what. I believe economic flows like water, it always flows downward. If companies don't think they are getting the resource they need, they go to places where resources are located. Or they get replaced.

For example, no H-1b visa for manufacturing labour doesn't stop the demise of US manufacturing. Why do you think it will make a difference with white collar jobs?

Companies are like VIPs to local economy. If you don't give them the best deal they can get, they leave. Loyalty is a luxury in business.

So, focus on improving US labor quality instead. IE, invest in education.

About US citizenship? I grew up outside of US. There is no money you can buy :
1) Freedom of speech
2) Right to bear arms - This works against US in peace time, but it serve the purpose to discourage dictatorship.
3) Respect to individual rights like privacy.

If you don't have these rights to start with, good luck on trying to get it from a government in any part of the world.

 

[moo]

Quote from LT701:

so....you have no interest in citizenship, find nothing attractive about it, yet you feel compelled to tell us what our policies should be

so I was right

why on earth should we check with you, regarding our immigration policies?

What arrogance! You Americans are running around the world telling people how to govern themselves and what policies to choose. But you are not able to accept any criticism yourself.

This just shows weakness, instead of debating my points, you are using "shoot the messenger" tactics. What the fuck does it matter who I am or where I am from? My arguments stand on their merit, not on my reputation.

It is a pity you don't see the opportunity. The US could even start to sell citizenships / various levels of residence. $10k times several million each year would earn plenty of money to finance your bankrupt government.

 

[LT701]

Quote from moo:

What arrogance! You Americans are running around the world telling people how to govern themselves and what policies to choose. But you are not able to accept any criticism yourself.

This just shows weakness, instead of debating my points, you are using "shoot the messenger" tactics. What the fuck does it matter who I am or where I am from? My arguments stand on their merit, not on my reputation.

It is a pity you don't see the opportunity. The US could even start to sell citizenships / various levels of residence. $10k times several million each year would earn plenty of money to finance your bankrupt government.

'you Americans' meaning George Bush, considered by many Americans to be the worst president, ever

The first issue in any debate is, 'is it any of the other person's business'. It's a waste of time to discuss it with those whom it isnt.

and that's my last response to you