Ron Paul says healthcare not a right
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If you go to the welfare offices anywhere in the US, You'll notice that most people trying to get the "card" are lazy, overweights middle age peoples. I know a woman in NY, she's 25 years old with two childs and single, I ask her one day why she got pregnant again without a husband and no job and she told me that "it doesnt matter,the government will pay me". Health care should be affordable under a true free market system, Overregulation is the problem in this industry, not the other way around.
Welfare (in any form) in the US is not a Right, period!
Welfare (in any form) in the US is not a Right, period!
Johnny,
You've hit on something important.
In fact, donations to private charities plummeted in the beginning of the 20th century with the introduction of the income tax. This is sad because private organizations are much more efficient at providing aid.
The more your income is under threat of confiscation, the more you tend to horde and the less you tend to give to Charity. Government tries to appeal to our desire to not let people die in the streets but all it does is enrich interest groups and wastes roughly $0.98 of every dollar.
Wait until all your health records are in some gov't data base.Part of the plan you know.
"Well Johnny we see you did not get all your vaccines in kindergarten.You can't recieve care." You will blackmailed into conforming to whatever they want.By they I mean whoever ends up in charge.
Unless you make your daughter get that cervical cancer vaccine she will be in violation of some law or denied.
You want your records at some gov't employees fingertips?
Maybe it will be for the greater good if some of us were not allowed to reproduce for whatever reason.The greater good you see.
Hell make everyone give a DNA sample and a blood sample.That would be for the greater good to have that on file just in case.Would'nt it?
Clearly i can go on and on with the probable abuses.
Here is some health care, now surrender your rights.
To take this full circle.If you have a dangerous lifestyle,lets say you like to shoot or hunt you will need to pay more or do without.
For the greater good.
"Well Johnny we see you did not get all your vaccines in kindergarten.You can't recieve care." You will blackmailed into conforming to whatever they want.By they I mean whoever ends up in charge.
Unless you make your daughter get that cervical cancer vaccine she will be in violation of some law or denied.
You want your records at some gov't employees fingertips?
Maybe it will be for the greater good if some of us were not allowed to reproduce for whatever reason.The greater good you see.
Hell make everyone give a DNA sample and a blood sample.That would be for the greater good to have that on file just in case.Would'nt it?
Clearly i can go on and on with the probable abuses.
Here is some health care, now surrender your rights.
To take this full circle.If you have a dangerous lifestyle,lets say you like to shoot or hunt you will need to pay more or do without.
For the greater good.
As a Canadian now living and working here in the US for the past 10 years I feel I have a good grasp on the realities of both systems.
Having lived in both countries and experienced the 2 systems I can tell you that you Americans already have the better system here. Canadians are taxed beyond belief......in return they get terrible healthcare. But it's "free" (yeah right). You think you want that system because you imagine the US system here but "free". There is nothing worse than watching someone you love waiting 8 months for a treatment that would be taken care of here in a week. The average wait time in Canada is 5 months for surgery. Walk into an ER in Canada and ask some of them how long they have been waiting. "Days" Surely not? Yup - it happens all the time. My uncle waited 2 years to see a sleep specialist. My brother... almost a year for severe stomach pain. He was told to change his diet and "hopefully it wasn't cancer but he'd have to wait to see a specialist". Would you wait a year thinking you might have stomach cancer?? People only "think" they want socialized healthcare. Trust me you don't. Ironically the people that claim it's a right and want socialized healthcare will eventually realize that the goverment ends up restricting your access to procedures and tests - thereby infringing upon your rights. I have a hard time believing Americans here who have become accustomed to a much higher quality of healthcare would be satisfied with a socialized system. I hope and pray as a Canadian living here that Obama's healthcare system never sees the light of day.
Well said. My uncle in Toronto is still waiting (year three) to see a specialist for a pinched nerve so debilitating he can barely walk. And this is a much less populated country where running a centralized system like that is easier.
There's no question that our health care system is screwed up. But, it's screwed up because it's already MUCH closer to the Canadian and British model than it is to a free market model.
Wow its amazing to see so much ignorance.
1) Rights are not granted by the government they are inalienable.
2) You have rights whether they government acknowledges those rights or not.
3) The government cannot take away a right or grant a right.
When we speak of rights some refer in summary to the declaration of Independence, while not a legal document it lays the foundation for understanding that your basic inalienable rights transcend government or man.
Our rights are affirmed in the constitution by placing restrictions on what the Federal government can do.
The whole purpose of free liberal republican democracies. Are that individuals are protected to pursue their own interests. Irrespective of your government frame work my rights are the same whether I live in New York, Baghdad or London.
A legitimate government plays a modest role and maintains the basic social order and the safeguarding of individual rights.
Notice that goverment again does not determine your rights. Goverment can oppress your right, and can win the battle over your life but it does not make it legitimate.
"Healthcare", "clean air", "safe highways", "terror free airplanes" are not rights, these are not guaranteed because they are not inalienable.
You can not be born with "healthcare", just as you are not born with "clean water."
Your rights are there because they are God Given, in summary the right to life and liberty and property. In fact the right to property encompasses all rights because it includes the right to your body, mind, the product of your labor, and your right to defend and secure what is yours.
Government Healthcare is a service and in order to deliver a service for "free" from your perspective as the consumer it implies slavery of another. You need to steal property from another in order to provide yourself the service of healthcare.
Government mandates are in fact illegitimate because they place the interest of the collective over the right of the individual. Notice a collective can never have rights only Individual have rights.
Free people will resist such encroachment, given the United States has the largest concentration of "Free" thinking people, I believe these attempts will fail politically or worse case violently.
1) Rights are not granted by the government they are inalienable.
2) You have rights whether they government acknowledges those rights or not.
3) The government cannot take away a right or grant a right.
When we speak of rights some refer in summary to the declaration of Independence, while not a legal document it lays the foundation for understanding that your basic inalienable rights transcend government or man.
Our rights are affirmed in the constitution by placing restrictions on what the Federal government can do.
The whole purpose of free liberal republican democracies. Are that individuals are protected to pursue their own interests. Irrespective of your government frame work my rights are the same whether I live in New York, Baghdad or London.
A legitimate government plays a modest role and maintains the basic social order and the safeguarding of individual rights.
Notice that goverment again does not determine your rights. Goverment can oppress your right, and can win the battle over your life but it does not make it legitimate.
"Healthcare", "clean air", "safe highways", "terror free airplanes" are not rights, these are not guaranteed because they are not inalienable.
You can not be born with "healthcare", just as you are not born with "clean water."
Your rights are there because they are God Given, in summary the right to life and liberty and property. In fact the right to property encompasses all rights because it includes the right to your body, mind, the product of your labor, and your right to defend and secure what is yours.
Government Healthcare is a service and in order to deliver a service for "free" from your perspective as the consumer it implies slavery of another. You need to steal property from another in order to provide yourself the service of healthcare.
Government mandates are in fact illegitimate because they place the interest of the collective over the right of the individual. Notice a collective can never have rights only Individual have rights.
Free people will resist such encroachment, given the United States has the largest concentration of "Free" thinking people, I believe these attempts will fail politically or worse case violently.
Bravo, lrm21.