Ron Paul praises the criminal element...

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

What a wuss you are Rat.

I ask if the SC agrees with your belief that MY views on how the INCOME TAX LAW work are wrong, and I get a non answer.

Well, that's a trolls answer, guess I'll have to get a hold of TraderNik's troll translator to understand...

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LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

What a wuss you are Rat.

I ask if the SC agrees with your belief that MY views on how the INCOME TAX LAW work are wrong, and I get a non answer.

Well, that's a trolls answer, guess I'll have to get a hold of TraderNik's troll translator to understand...

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Quoting Hairyoki: "Off Topic"
 
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Translation:

Oh no !! I'm being asked direct questions that I can't answer without looking like a fool. :(

What to do? What to do?

I know I can't answer any of hiroshi's questions truthfully -

(A)I know that Ron doesn't support what I'm saying regarding income taxes. At best, he says that he can't find the law and he respects people that fight the current law when they know they will pay a price for it - meaning that RP believes that they have no real defense. Now I know that can only leave me 2 options : 1- I can admit RP's too dumb to see where the laws are legal, because the Supreme Court has never overturned a tax evasion conviction - meaning how can I conttinue to support a candidate for Prez if he's so stupid. So that's out. Or 2- I can admit that RP does know the laws and continue to pledge my suport for him anyways, even though I keep trying to argue the point that the tax on income. Then I look stupid. So that's out too. :eek:

(B)Damn, Harikari is right when he says that no tax convictions have been overturned by the SC. So I need to keep dodging the question for as long as I can. I hope nobody notices. Yeah, that's it, if I keep dodging, noone will notice. I mean, it works for ZZZzzzzzzz, and he's my hero, so it should work for me too if I just follow his trail.

Speaking of ZZZzzzzzzz, what would he do in this situation.... I know, I'll take the discussion off topic when I don't have an answer. If that doesn't work, I'll start referencing anal penetration, just like my hero.....:)

Ok then, that's my plan - ignore questions that I can't answer, post off topic, and threaten anal penetration.

That'll keep me from looking like a fool:cool:



Sorry Rat, too late.........
 
teriyaki.... thats all you did when i asked a few questions you didn't like... "Off Topic" was your response. i see you don't like it when it is pulled on you.
 
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teriyaki.... thats all you did when i asked a few questions you didn't like... "Off Topic" was your response. i see you don't like it when it is pulled on you.
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Translation :

Shit, he's got me.....

I know I posted questions that were off topic - questions that have nothing to do with the legality of the income tax laws. So when Chopsuey calls me on my off topic questions and wants a response to his real, on topic questions, I'll keep repeating that's he's off topic too, that should buy me some time. Or at least tire him out until he quits calling me out.

Well they aren't off topic cuz in my twisted mind everything's a conspiracy and I believe that Alex Jones is God and everything out of his azz is like manna from heaven.

I feel threatened now.Where's my mommy? She was supposed to help me with my newspaper route this morning, but she never came home from her boyfriend's house last night. What's his name again? I forget, she has so many of them. What is this, her 4th this month already? I'm so hungry too. All there was for me to eat last night was 2 slices of bologna. I want to cry......
 
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mcfadden's speech in congress was extremely relevant. his death is extremely relevant.
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Ok, finally a statement.

Hmmm, but no counterarguement to my questions about the SC rulings on convicted tax evaders. Guess that means that you've finally given up on trying to prove your point that the income tax is illegal. Good.

AND no counterarguements to whether or not RP supports your position. Guess you've given that one up too. Looks like we're making some progress. Looks like you're finally beginning to WAKE UP Ratboy. Maybe there's hope for you yet.

So McFadden's speech was on the Fed, and how they're a bunch of crooks interested in enriching themselves. If it's relevant to whether or not the current tax laws are legal or not , I sure don't see it. Rather, it looks like you're trying to make a connection between the Fed and how taxes wouldn't need to be paid if the Fed was abolished, or something similar. That's a different issue, hence, off topic.

Ahhhh, I get it now. Everything is a conspiracy. Again. The NWO is coming to get us and we're all too blind to see it.

Dang, and I had such hope for you Ratboy.....

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
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FOMC day, markets are flat, so I’ll answer your questions :


1- why does the irs dodge that one simple question?

4- why doesn't the irs commissioner answer the question instead of dodge it with his lame curly shuffle?

5- why can't you show me the law?


The IRS does answer….

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_is_no_law_requiring_an_income_tax

The "IRS refuses to say what law makes U.S. citizens liable for income tax" argument

Some tax protesters argue that the Internal Revenue Service refuses to disclose the laws that impose the legal obligation to file Federal income tax returns or pay Federal income taxes -- and conclude that there must be no law imposing Federal income taxes.
The official Internal Revenue Service web site contains references to specific code sections and case law,[6] including 26 U.S.C. § 6011 (duty to file returns in general); 26 U.S.C. § 6012 (duty to file income tax returns in particular); and 26 U.S.C. § 6151 (duty to pay tax at time return is required to be filed)[19] and 26 U.S.C. § 61 (definition of gross income) and 26 U.S.C. § 6072 (timing of duty to file).[19]
The year 2006 instruction book for Form 1040, U.S. Individual Income Tax Return, on page 80, contains references to 26 U.S.C. § 6001 (relating to record keeping); 26 U.S.C. § 6011 (general filing requirement); 26 U.S.C. § 6012(a) (specific income tax return filing requirement); and 26 U.S.C. § 6109 (duty to supply identification numbers). The IRS web site includes a section on tax protester arguments with citations to statutes (including the 26 U.S.C. § 6151 duty to pay the tax) and court decisions and a 64-page downloadable PDF version of the data, entitled The Truth About Frivolous Tax Arguments[7] and a page with a link to the entire Internal Revenue Code as published by the Legal Information Institute at Cornell University Law School.[20]


2- why did the judge refuse to show them the law?

3- same with the browns.... why wont that judge show them the law.

Like I stated before, the judge DID give the law. That Russo, Brown, and Harlan (? The trial that Marcy served on) disagree that this is the law doesn’t make it so. They’re just in denial about this….

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America:_Freedom_to_Fascism

Under the U.S. legal system, the general rule (with exceptions) is that neither side in a civil or criminal case is allowed to try to prove to the jury what the law is. For example, in a murder case the defendant is not generally allowed to persuade the jury that there is no law against murder, or to try to interpret the law for the jury. Likewise, the prosecution is not allowed to try to persuade the jury about what the law is, or how it should be interpreted. Disagreements about what the law is are argued by both sides before the judge, who then makes a ruling. Prior to jury deliberations, the judge, and only the judge, instructs the jury on the law.[

The New York Times article of July 31, 2006 states that when Mr. Russo asked IRS spokesman Anthony Burke (who according to the article was credited by Russo in the film) for the law requiring payment of income taxes on wages and was provided a link to various documents including title 26 of the United States Code (the Internal Revenue Code), filmmaker Russo denied that title 26 was the law, contending that it consisted only of IRS "regulations" and had not been enacted by Congress. The article reports that in an interview in late July 2006, Russo claimed he was confident on this point. In the United States "statutes" are enacted by Congress, and "regulations" are promulgated by the executive branch of government to implement the statutes. The statutes are found in the United States Code; and the regulations are found in the Code of Federal Regulations. The Treasury regulations to which Mr. Russo may have been referring are found at title 26 ("Internal Revenue") of the Code of Federal Regulations [6], not title 26 of the United States Code.[8]

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What this all boils down to Rat, is the inability of some to understand how laws work and are enacted. That some don’t understand doesn’t make them right…
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mate, very informative and thanks

just one comment though, and not particularly directed at you personally, and this is by no means a US-IRS-only type problem, but... when are u guys going to SIMPLIFY your tax code?

i mean, how fair is it to expect every single citizen no matter how (un)educated to be able - am not saying "willing" - to cut thru that jungle in a less than exhorbitantly taxing amount of time by themselves?


having said that, people who refuse to pay their taxes after all legit recourses have been exhausted should go to jail, NOW!
 
Follow the tax and accounting firm lobby money, as well as the loophole money and other tax dodges...think churches, charities, etc. who might suffer from the lack of tax writeoffs with a simple structure.

That's why we don't have a simplified tax code, or a flat tax...

It is all about who writes the tax laws, and who influences the law makers...

In addition, how many IRS agents would be losing their jobs with a flat tax?

The level of complication is just another part of the beaurcratic nature of our primary national federal corporation, better known as the US Treasury and the federal agencies and other private corporations who dictate what they actually do...

You really think the bankers want to do away with all the red tape stuff?

:D :D :D


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mate, very informative and thanks

just one comment though, and not particularly directed at you personally, and this is by no means a US-IRS-only type problem, but... when are u guys going to SIMPLIFY your tax code?

i mean, how fair is it to expect every single citizen no matter how (un)educated to be able - am not saying "willing" - to cut thru that jungle in a less than exhorbitantly taxing amount of time by themselves?


having said that, people who refuse to pay their taxes after all legit recourses have been exhausted should go to jail, NOW!
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Ok, finally a statement.

So McFadden's speech was on the Fed, and how they're a bunch of crooks interested in enriching themselves. If it's relevant to whether or not the current tax laws are legal or not , I sure don't see it. Rather, it looks like you're trying to make a connection between the Fed and how taxes wouldn't need to be paid if the Fed was abolished, or something similar. That's a different issue, hence, off topic.
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you say this isn't important but the founding fathers thought differently. there are dozens of quotes where they warned us against losing our independence. andrew jackson spent the bulk of his admin fighting the private bankers from taking over our monetary system.

now you sit here and tell me that you love the private bankers collection agency. paying the private illegal bankers usury fees is not freedom. it is bondage... it is slavery. and it is ruining this once great constitutional republic. the laws we hold sacred you laugh at.

you don't know our history... you asked stupid questions that any true patriot would know. you supported the pancake theory even though it was one of the most illogical concepts ever perpetuated by our corrupt media.

you are not an american yet you love the monetary system of bondage that the IRS enforces without legitimacy.
 
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