Ron Paul: On The Issues

[TheDudeofLife]

May 10, 2007
Press Release: Pro-Life Leader Endorses Ron Paul

Barbara Hagan to Chair Ron Paul's New Hampshire Pro-Life Coalition

Top right-to-life advocate will head up statewide efforts

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

May 10, 2007

ARLINGTON, VA – Long time right-to-life activist and former two-term New Hampshire state representative Barbara J. Hagan has endorsed Ron Paul for president of the United States. Mrs. Hagan will head up the Paul campaign's outreach to the New Hampshire pro-life community.

"The Ron Paul campaign is honored to have Barbara Hagan's support" said campaign chairman Kent Snyder. "Barbara is one of the most respected activists in New Hampshire and a giant in the pro-life community. There is no one better to lead our outreach to the right-to-life voters of the Granite State."

Barbara Hagan, the wife of Robert M. Hagan and mother of seven children, has been involved in politics since the age of 16. She has served as president and chairman of the New Hampshire Right to Life Committee and is a former vice chairman and long time member of New Hampshire Eagle Forum. In addition to vast political campaign experience, Barbara Hagan was one of four New Hampshire Pro Life and Pro Family Delegates to attend the White House Conference on Families and has devoted much of her public life to the right to life issue.

Mrs. Hagan says pro-lifers from all political persuasions can and should support Congressman Ron Paul for president because of his impeccable voting record, understanding of our constitutional republic and the inalienable right to life for all.

 

[achilles28]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Today, the founders if alive, and had the size and scope of 50 different colonies, from Hawaii to Maine, from So Cal to Florida and Alaska, could not hammer out an agreement that could be acceptable to all states.

Thankfully, we don’t need to pen another 'New Deal'. After years of heated debate and negotiation, these States gladly entered into a common Constitution, over 200 years ago!!!!

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Hell, they had a lot of fights with just 13 colonies to ratify a constitution.

And your point is?

Should we discard every law on the books because, according to you, they don’t enjoy 100% consensus??!?!

Gee, lets see. Some Bible Thumpers don’t like it when the Left bashes Bush. So lets x the First Amendment.

And Mothers Against Another Columbine (MAAC) demand we turn in our Guns for Teddy Bears. X the Second Amendment.....

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

We are a nation living on the fumes of the history of the founders, and I am not knocking their principles, far from it.

Fumes only because liberals (of your ilk) and neocons (also, of your ilk) have successfully killed the very Spirit that made this Country Great. INDEPENDANCE.

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However, principles of governing have to fit the governed and their level of expectations, and we simply do not have a sufficient spirit of cooperation and willingness to compromise at this point to suddenly try to apply 200+ year old principles...

Pander to the masses, huh? Nothing more than Entitlement Socialism.

The Founders didn't think much of that:

"“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.” Jefferson


Re. '200 year old princibles'. Perhaps the supreme logic of the Greek Philosophers or the stoic discipline of the Spartans should be cast aside as well - because - after all - they're relevance only has a 200 year shelf life...

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

...which by the way, are just words now, in a language that has changed, and we have no way of knowing what side of the fence a Jefferson of today, or Franklin of today, etc. would land on.

You are profoundly ignorant of the words and intent of those Founders you pretend to know:


"On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." (Thomas Jefferson)



If you want to play Constitutional enthusiast, i suggest you actually crack a book and READ what the Founders WROTE at the time the Constitution was created.

I think their clarity and conviction will unpleasantly surprise you.

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

America is like that fading beauty queen, who has to understand that she can no longer live in the past where she got by on her looks alone...and many again beauty queens remain in denial about the reality of their life until the bitter end.

We will fail as a nation if we believe failure is inevitable. We will rise as a nation if we believe a renaissance is our birthright.

The Socializt agenda pushed by yourself (and army of supporters) is nothing more than entitlement welfare that will wear down even the strongest of civilizations and will wrought poor even the wealthiest of people.

Socialism brings the worst out in man. And it brings the worst out in Government.

Our Founders taught us that.

Who taught them?? HISTORY.

Human nature hasn't changed in a hundred years, let alone 5,000 years.

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Your fanaticism is clearly evidenced here:


And he embodies them masterfully, forcefully and 100% true to their original intent.

Care to take that up with Jefferson?


"On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." (Thomas Jefferson)


You want to debate Constitutional Law? Original intent?

Bring it.

For every limp-wristed Justice or sleaze-bag President that masqueraded as a pansy ass 'Constitutional Scholar', there are STACKS of Constitutional papers, letters and journals, penned by the very Founders themselves, that attest to their true intent.

Yes, ZZzzzz, the Founders actually arrived at a collaborative masterpiece, whose message was clear and concise to all those who signed it.

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

People in this country, learned people, constitutional scholars argue all the time about what the intention of the framers was...so anyone saying they represent 100% of the true intent of the framers reminds me of some born again Christian who says they have the true 100% correct understanding of the Bible, and they represent Christ 100% of Christ's intent. Or Muslims saying they represent 100% of Mohammed's intent, etc. really doesn't matter, fanaticism is fanaticism.

I'll be gentle.

The only reason why debate exists among 'Scholars', 'Justices' and politicians as to Original Intent - the dissenters represent a political viewpoint that is decidedly anti-Libertarian.

Some of the dissenting judicial activists or pork-barreled politicians fall to the 'right', and some to the 'left'. But both share a common distaste for the terribly restrictive and financially shrewd philosophy of Governance that is Libertarian Law.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Quote from achilles28:

Thankfully, we don’t need to pen another 'New Deal'. After years of heated debate and negotiation, these States gladly entered into a common Constitution, over 200 years ago!!!!

No, not these 50 states, 13 colonies.

And your point is?

You can't see it? See an optometrist them and get your eyes checked.

Should we discard every law on the books because, according to you, they don’t enjoy 100% consensus??!?!

Ignorant response.

Gee, lets see. Some Bible Thumpers don’t like it when the Left bashes Bush. So lets x the First Amendment.

Bible thumpers, those with a brain understand that if they tried to ban the left, they too could be banned for their thinking.

Right now, right wing radio is terrified of the action against Imus, because they are afraid they are next.

And Mothers Against Another Columbine (MAAC) demand we turn in our Guns for Teddy Bears. X the Second Amendment.....

They demand it?

LOL!


Fumes only because liberals (of your ilk) and neocons (also, of your ilk) have successfully killed the very Spirit that made this Country Great. INDEPENDANCE.

You are calling me a neocon?

You are brain damaged.

Pander to the masses, huh? Nothing more than Entitlement Socialism.

You reading from the Rush Limbaugh handbook?

The Founders didn't think much of that:

"“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.” Jefferson

The founders also did not think much of children's rights, women's rights, minority rights, etc.

Re. '200 year old princibles'. Perhaps the supreme logic of the Greek Philosophers or the stoic discipline of the Spartans should be cast aside as well - because - after all - they're relevance only has a 200 year shelf life!!

Do you shit in an outhouse that is 200 years old?

Or do you take advantage of progress...

You are profoundly ignorant of the words and intent of those Founders you pretend to know:


"On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." (Thomas Jefferson)

So you know exactly what Jefferson meant, what his intention was, how he would think today?

The constructionists are so dense, amazing...


If you want to play Constitutional enthusiast, i suggest you actually crack a book and READ what the Founders WROTE at the time the Constitution was created.

I suggest you turn off Hannity, Limbauth, Coulter and lean some independent thought process.

I think their clarity and conviction will unpleasantly surprise you.

I think you are mental.

We will fail as a nation if we believe failure is inevitable. We will rise as a nation if we believe a renaissance is our birthright.

Oh man, if we don't think we can fail, the current hubris in government will continue unabated...and that assures failure.

The Socializt agenda pushed by yourself (and army of supporters) is nothing more than entitlement welfare that will wear down even the strongest of civilizations and will wrought poor even the wealthiest of people.

Snore...

Socialism brings the worst out in man. And it brings the worst out in Government.

More snore...

Our Founders taught us that.

Who taught them?? HISTORY.

Human nature hasn't changed in a hundred years, let alone 5,000 years.

More and more snore...

Care to take that up with Jefferson?

He is dead, if you didn't know.

"On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." (Thomas Jefferson)

Try thinking for yourself. Quoting 200 year old writing reminds me of fundamentalist right wing Christians quoting the Bible...

You want to debate Constitutional Law? Original intent?

It is sufficient that Constitutional scholars, recognized as Constitutional scholars have taken a different point of view than you...however, I doubt you could grasp the depth of their arguments.

You don't know the intent, any more than you ever know any one's intent. It is impossible to know intent. It is a guess.

Bring it.

Leave it...

For every limp-wristed Justice or sleaze-bag President that masqueraded as a pansy ass 'Constitutional Scholar', there are STACKS of Constitutional papers, letters and journals, penned by the very Founders themselves, that attest to their true intent.

Just like there is a Bible that reveals the real intent of God...sure thing.

Yes, ZZzzzz, the Founders actually arrived at a collaborative masterpiece, whose message was clear and concise to all those who signed it.

The did not write it knowing the future and the changes that would take place.

You are living in the past, a 200 year old past.

So go and crap in a 200 year old crapper outside, don't use electricity, cars, air conditioning...and live like a Mennonite.

I'll be gentle.

Who cares what you will be?

The only reason why debate exists among 'Scholars', 'Justices' and politicians as to Original Intent - the dissenters represent a political viewpoint that is decidedly anti-Libertarian.

Bullshit.

Debate happens all the time in 200 year old literature or contracts written yesterday.

You really aren't too bright. You don't understand that language, especially the English language is interpretive. It is not math where there are formulas, etc.

Some of the dissenting judicial activists or pork-barreled politicians fall to the 'right', and some to the 'left'. But both share a common distaste for the terribly restrictive and shrewd philosophy of Governance that is Libertarian Law.

Yawn, snore...make an argument, please.

 

[LT701]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

The cult of Ron Paul, very funny...

what if a bunch of talking heads on television said you should vote for him

then would you do it?

isnt that how you think?

or, perhaps a famous athlete said he respects people who vote for him - then would it be ok?

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

You mean if Paul emerged from cult status to join mainstream America, would I vote for him?

Nope...

Quote from LT701:

what if a bunch of talking heads on television said you should vote for him

then would you do it?

isnt that how you think?

or, perhaps a famous athlete said he respects people who vote for him - then would it be ok?

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

You mean if Paul emerged from cult status to join mainstream America, would I vote for him?

Nope...

he is holding out for hillary to "pump it up" LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

You are delusional, again.

Quote from ratboy88:

he is holding out for hillary to "pump it up" LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

You are delusional, again.

ZZZzzzzz and his great mystery candidate.... dont worry i wouldnt choose one of those dem/libs either. do you dream about Hillary's cankles?

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Dumb and blind you are...

Quote from ratboy88:

ZZZzzzzz and his great mystery candidate.... dont worry i wouldnt choose one of those dem/libs either. do you dream about Hillary's cankles?

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Dumb and blind you are...

you are getting very sleepyyyyyyy.. soon you will be in la la land dreaming of your uber liberal candidate: