He is not more anti-Bush than Kucinich.
I agree the war should end. So do many of the candidates.
I agree the war should end. So do many of the candidates.
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Ron Paul on the defensive
- Thread starter ZZZzzzzzzz
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Blacks, women, gays, atheists, jews etc. are not likely to get any help from Paul...unless they opt to buy into his politics.
Your comments are certainly representative of a certain group and their attitude toward blacks and their "destiny."
Interesting to see how you talk about how 'MINORITY GROUPS" will get no help from Ron Paul....what you really mean is Blacks will no get help..becuase im prettty sure Asians and Most Hispanics do not care if the government helps them or not....they create their own destiny [/QUOTE]
Your comments are certainly representative of a certain group and their attitude toward blacks and their "destiny."
Quote from TM_Direct:
Interesting to see how you talk about how 'MINORITY GROUPS" will get no help from Ron Paul....what you really mean is Blacks will no get help..becuase im prettty sure Asians and Most Hispanics do not care if the government helps them or not....they create their own destiny [/QUOTE]
All minorities can make whatever destiny they want. One can rant all day about how blacks just want the g'ment to bail them out, or that Mexicans just want free healthcare without contributing to the system. Or whatever other stereotype seems appropriate.
In the end there is only one thing causing those situations. The desire of minority groups to clump together.
Take Asians for instance. Most people here can't tell the difference between Japanese and Chinese, so the two aren't treated any differently on the street. The same is true of Korean, Thai, etc...
If one of these families gets an education and enters the professional world and doesn't attempt to move into an Asian neighborhood, they pretty much live like any other American middle or upper middle class family.
Conversely, if that family chooses to move into Chinatown, or any other similar place, they almost relegate themselves to lower class and being looked at as outsiders.
Self-segregation is the only thing allowing racism to exist here. The fact that blacks want to live in black neighborhoods. Asians want to live in Asian neighborhoods. Mexicans want to live in Latin neighborhoods.
Without this tendency, racism would be almost completely eliminated in a single generation.
In the end there is only one thing causing those situations. The desire of minority groups to clump together.
Take Asians for instance. Most people here can't tell the difference between Japanese and Chinese, so the two aren't treated any differently on the street. The same is true of Korean, Thai, etc...
If one of these families gets an education and enters the professional world and doesn't attempt to move into an Asian neighborhood, they pretty much live like any other American middle or upper middle class family.
Conversely, if that family chooses to move into Chinatown, or any other similar place, they almost relegate themselves to lower class and being looked at as outsiders.
Self-segregation is the only thing allowing racism to exist here. The fact that blacks want to live in black neighborhoods. Asians want to live in Asian neighborhoods. Mexicans want to live in Latin neighborhoods.
Without this tendency, racism would be almost completely eliminated in a single generation.
all of the racist rhetoric against paul is ironic.
ending systemic inflation is the strongest pro-minority policy i've ever seen
ending systemic inflation is the strongest pro-minority policy i've ever seen
http://stewart-rhodes.blogspot.com/2008/01/i-am-mexican-american-i-worked-for-ron.html
I am a Mexican-American, I worked for Ron Paul in the 1990âs, and I Know that Ron Paul is No Racist!
By Stewart Rhodes
January 11, 2008
There is now underway a full-blown smear campaign to paint Ron Paul as a racist. First, there was the lame attempt at guilt by association, with a mere campaign contribution by some red neck racist being touted as âproofâ that Ron Paul is racist. And then there were equally stupid Kevin Baconesque degrees of separation attempts to connect Ron with various so-called âhate groups.â
Now the muckrakers are dredging up ancient, obscure newsletters written by some equally obscure ghost writing employee(s) of Dr. Paulâs way back in the early 1990âs. This only tells me that Ron Paul is a real threat to the political establishment, and they are pulling out all the stops in an attempt to stop the Ron Paul Revolution.
I worked for Ron Paul, in his Washington D.C. office, in 1998-99, seeing him almost every day, and saw absolutely no indication of him being racist, and in fact, I saw many reasons to know he is not racist. I am of Hispanic decent, and quite proud of it. My family on my motherâs side were migrant farm workers and my Great-Grandfather even rode with Pancho Villa.I am also part American-Indian.
That heritage not only makes it rather difficult for anyone to smear me as somehow being a white racist (which is good for me if I am ever foolish enough to run for office), but also cuts against Ron Paul's supposed "ties" with white supremacists and this latest smear campaign based on what some employee of his wrote fifteen years ago.
Not only am I outspoken about my heritage, I donât work for racists and I would never have worked on Ron Paulâs staff if I had any suspicion whatsoever that he was "racist." And I wasn't the only staff member of "mixed race." There were several others and he never gave it a second thought. One of them was a young woman who is half Panamanian, with an obvious dark complexion. If Ron Paul were some kind of racist, who thinks non-whites are inferior, why would he hire her, or me? Was it some kind of elaborate, clever cover? No. The reason he did not care about our race is because he is a libertarian who sees people as individuals, not members of groups, racial or otherwise.
There are many different segments of society who are drawn to a man like Ron Paul. People of a wide variety of backgrounds support him because people of a wide variety of backgrounds support liberty and have a fundamental distrust of excessive government power.
During my time in his office, as now in the grassroots movement, there were fundamentalist Christians (and I mean really fundamentalist), working right next to proud and opinionated atheists. There were budhists, anarcho-capitalists, Big L Libertarians, objectivists, old school "Reagan" conservatives, and people of all manner of ethnic background, all working side-by-side. I have even seen gay people in those circles. They did not agree on many things, or even like each other, to be blunt, but whatever their personal background or orientation, they all saw value in working for a strict constitutionalist and a man of deep principle and courage.
They were and are all part of the broader Freedom Movement â which contains a very eclectic mix of people who all share a desire for liberty. But as eclectic and diverse as his staff was in other ways, I never knew anyone on his staff to be racist, and I think it is because racists are so directly at odds with Ron Paul's philosophy of individual rights - such people just would not have fit in. Racists are collectivists, who see people as members of groups only, rather than as individuals. Such a viewpoint is fundamentally incompatible with libertarianism. As Ron Paul himself notes:
Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than as individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups.
You can read the rest of his statement about racism at http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/racism/
White Power Nazis are no exception to the rule that racists are collectivists, being, after-all, national SOCIALISTS. Such people are not only my permanent enemies because I am not pure white, as they have sworn me their enemy, they are also my ideological enemies - as much as any Marxist - because their beliefs are entirely incompatible with the concepts of individual liberty, personal self determination, and reason that is the heart of libertarianism. That makes them Ron Paul's ideological enemies as well because Ron Paul is a libertarianâs libertarian.... cont.
I am a Mexican-American, I worked for Ron Paul in the 1990âs, and I Know that Ron Paul is No Racist!
By Stewart Rhodes
January 11, 2008
There is now underway a full-blown smear campaign to paint Ron Paul as a racist. First, there was the lame attempt at guilt by association, with a mere campaign contribution by some red neck racist being touted as âproofâ that Ron Paul is racist. And then there were equally stupid Kevin Baconesque degrees of separation attempts to connect Ron with various so-called âhate groups.â
Now the muckrakers are dredging up ancient, obscure newsletters written by some equally obscure ghost writing employee(s) of Dr. Paulâs way back in the early 1990âs. This only tells me that Ron Paul is a real threat to the political establishment, and they are pulling out all the stops in an attempt to stop the Ron Paul Revolution.
I worked for Ron Paul, in his Washington D.C. office, in 1998-99, seeing him almost every day, and saw absolutely no indication of him being racist, and in fact, I saw many reasons to know he is not racist. I am of Hispanic decent, and quite proud of it. My family on my motherâs side were migrant farm workers and my Great-Grandfather even rode with Pancho Villa.I am also part American-Indian.
That heritage not only makes it rather difficult for anyone to smear me as somehow being a white racist (which is good for me if I am ever foolish enough to run for office), but also cuts against Ron Paul's supposed "ties" with white supremacists and this latest smear campaign based on what some employee of his wrote fifteen years ago.
Not only am I outspoken about my heritage, I donât work for racists and I would never have worked on Ron Paulâs staff if I had any suspicion whatsoever that he was "racist." And I wasn't the only staff member of "mixed race." There were several others and he never gave it a second thought. One of them was a young woman who is half Panamanian, with an obvious dark complexion. If Ron Paul were some kind of racist, who thinks non-whites are inferior, why would he hire her, or me? Was it some kind of elaborate, clever cover? No. The reason he did not care about our race is because he is a libertarian who sees people as individuals, not members of groups, racial or otherwise.
There are many different segments of society who are drawn to a man like Ron Paul. People of a wide variety of backgrounds support him because people of a wide variety of backgrounds support liberty and have a fundamental distrust of excessive government power.
During my time in his office, as now in the grassroots movement, there were fundamentalist Christians (and I mean really fundamentalist), working right next to proud and opinionated atheists. There were budhists, anarcho-capitalists, Big L Libertarians, objectivists, old school "Reagan" conservatives, and people of all manner of ethnic background, all working side-by-side. I have even seen gay people in those circles. They did not agree on many things, or even like each other, to be blunt, but whatever their personal background or orientation, they all saw value in working for a strict constitutionalist and a man of deep principle and courage.
They were and are all part of the broader Freedom Movement â which contains a very eclectic mix of people who all share a desire for liberty. But as eclectic and diverse as his staff was in other ways, I never knew anyone on his staff to be racist, and I think it is because racists are so directly at odds with Ron Paul's philosophy of individual rights - such people just would not have fit in. Racists are collectivists, who see people as members of groups only, rather than as individuals. Such a viewpoint is fundamentally incompatible with libertarianism. As Ron Paul himself notes:
Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than as individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups.
You can read the rest of his statement about racism at http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/racism/
White Power Nazis are no exception to the rule that racists are collectivists, being, after-all, national SOCIALISTS. Such people are not only my permanent enemies because I am not pure white, as they have sworn me their enemy, they are also my ideological enemies - as much as any Marxist - because their beliefs are entirely incompatible with the concepts of individual liberty, personal self determination, and reason that is the heart of libertarianism. That makes them Ron Paul's ideological enemies as well because Ron Paul is a libertarianâs libertarian.... cont.
But some of these collectivist racists now at least claim to support Ron Paul. Why? I suspect for the same reason the far left collectivist anti war protester does. There is something they fear or detest so much in the current Federal government that they are willing to support a man who clearly does not agree with them on fundamental philosophical principles. I'll bet the far lefty anti war protester and the White Power skin head consider each other mortal enemies, but they both support the same man for very similar reasons. Fear of excessive government power, and a desire to return to more limited government under the Constitution makes for strange political combinations sometimes.
If Ron Paul is somehow racist because some racists support him, does that make him a socialist lefty hippy because some far left anti war hippy supports him? Does it make the lefty hippy a racist too, because he supports Ron right along with the skin-head? There are also gay people who support Ron Paul. Does that make Ron gay? Does that make the Nazi guy gay too, or a "gay lover" because he also supports Ron? No, of course not.
People from all of those backgrounds support Ron Paul because they all have a desire to return to Constitutional government. Though they don't agree with Ron Paul on everything, they fear what comes from unconstitutional government.
It would be absurd to say that the Constitution and Bill of Rights are racist, gay, atheist, socialist, or whatever because people of those persuasions value and support those documents. The same is true for Dr. Paul because he is the Champion of the Constitution. What all those people really support is not a man, as much as it is the Constitution itself.
It seems that even racist dumb asses prefer the Constitution, at least for now (that is how dangerous the federal government has become!). I have my suspicions about their professed devotion to the Constitution, since their world view really is so collectivist, but I'm not going to reject the Constitution or Ron Paul just because the racist idiots don't realize that a restoration of the Constitution will not get them to their mythical "White America" like they may hope. What it will do is get us all to a place of liberty and justice for all, and the racists can then whither away like the outdated fools they are.
The latest smear against Ron Paul stemming from the old newsletters written by some employee.
Despite the fact that racism is incompatible with libertarianism, I have in fact known some people (thankfully few) who like to call themselves libertarians who are racist - there are stupid bigots in any movement âand just as we have seen that there are even some self-professed racists who express support for Ron Paul, it would not surprise me if at some point in Ron Paulâs long career in the Freedom Movement such a closet, collectivist racist was able to worm his way into working for Ron.
Ron Paul does not interrogate all of his new hires on their view on race. In hindsight we can say that he should have been more careful in monitoring what his employees wrote long ago, and no doubt he has since become far more careful about watching what goes out with his name on it. But Ron Paul, being a sincere libertarian, is a very hands-off kind of guy, as Tucker Carlson noted in his recent article, and perhaps a bit too trusting by assuming that the people who work for him will be consistent, principled libertarians just as he is.
As I noted above, that is usually a fair and accurate assumption, and I never heard one racist comment from any staff. But it is certainly possible that one or two racist jerks slipped through the cracks. As I said, every movement has its idiots. As a case in point, look at Eric Dondero who used to work for Ron but after 9-11 transformed into a raving Kool-Aid drinking, Bush cheerleading, torture loving, warmongering neocon when it comes to the war on terror. Who would have known he was such a raving maniac? No doubt about it, that idiot had to have said, written, or done something that was embarrassing to Ron while working for him.
I have seen nothing, in all my interactions with Ron Paul, to ever suggest to me that he himself is racist. To the contrary, I have every reason to know he is not. And the same goes for his supposed hatred of gays. That is also total hogwash. Ron Paul does not care what someone is. He sees us all as individuals with God given rights. If you value liberty and the Constitution, then you are Ron Paulâs brother or sister in liberty, whatever your color, creed, or sexual preference.
This smear campaign reminds me of how the whole militia movement of the 1990âs was smeared as racist, even when some of the leadership in that movement was non-white. It also reminds me of how the Branch Davidian victimes of government abuse were portrayed by the vast majority of media reports as being a bunch of religious extremist white people with guns, with the not-so-subtle implication that they too were racist. Most Americans thus never knew that the majority of the Branch Davidians were in fact non-white. There were an estimated 40 blacks in that homestead church of 120 members, and among the Blacks killed in the fire were Wayne Martin, a 42-year-old Harvard trained lawyer and four of his seven children. There were also entire families of Hispanics and Asians among them, and many mixed-race marriages and children. But the facts never stop the media or the wanna-be media in the blogosphere. Racism in general, and especially antisemitism, has always been the smear of choice against the Freedom Movement.
This is just a desperate attempt by a desperate establishment to silence this resurgent freedom movement by smearing Ron Paul with the same old smear of choice, racism.
Stewart Rhodes
Yale Law graduate, veteran, Mexican-American, and proud former Ron Paul staffer
If Ron Paul is somehow racist because some racists support him, does that make him a socialist lefty hippy because some far left anti war hippy supports him? Does it make the lefty hippy a racist too, because he supports Ron right along with the skin-head? There are also gay people who support Ron Paul. Does that make Ron gay? Does that make the Nazi guy gay too, or a "gay lover" because he also supports Ron? No, of course not.
People from all of those backgrounds support Ron Paul because they all have a desire to return to Constitutional government. Though they don't agree with Ron Paul on everything, they fear what comes from unconstitutional government.
It would be absurd to say that the Constitution and Bill of Rights are racist, gay, atheist, socialist, or whatever because people of those persuasions value and support those documents. The same is true for Dr. Paul because he is the Champion of the Constitution. What all those people really support is not a man, as much as it is the Constitution itself.
It seems that even racist dumb asses prefer the Constitution, at least for now (that is how dangerous the federal government has become!). I have my suspicions about their professed devotion to the Constitution, since their world view really is so collectivist, but I'm not going to reject the Constitution or Ron Paul just because the racist idiots don't realize that a restoration of the Constitution will not get them to their mythical "White America" like they may hope. What it will do is get us all to a place of liberty and justice for all, and the racists can then whither away like the outdated fools they are.
The latest smear against Ron Paul stemming from the old newsletters written by some employee.
Despite the fact that racism is incompatible with libertarianism, I have in fact known some people (thankfully few) who like to call themselves libertarians who are racist - there are stupid bigots in any movement âand just as we have seen that there are even some self-professed racists who express support for Ron Paul, it would not surprise me if at some point in Ron Paulâs long career in the Freedom Movement such a closet, collectivist racist was able to worm his way into working for Ron.
Ron Paul does not interrogate all of his new hires on their view on race. In hindsight we can say that he should have been more careful in monitoring what his employees wrote long ago, and no doubt he has since become far more careful about watching what goes out with his name on it. But Ron Paul, being a sincere libertarian, is a very hands-off kind of guy, as Tucker Carlson noted in his recent article, and perhaps a bit too trusting by assuming that the people who work for him will be consistent, principled libertarians just as he is.
As I noted above, that is usually a fair and accurate assumption, and I never heard one racist comment from any staff. But it is certainly possible that one or two racist jerks slipped through the cracks. As I said, every movement has its idiots. As a case in point, look at Eric Dondero who used to work for Ron but after 9-11 transformed into a raving Kool-Aid drinking, Bush cheerleading, torture loving, warmongering neocon when it comes to the war on terror. Who would have known he was such a raving maniac? No doubt about it, that idiot had to have said, written, or done something that was embarrassing to Ron while working for him.
I have seen nothing, in all my interactions with Ron Paul, to ever suggest to me that he himself is racist. To the contrary, I have every reason to know he is not. And the same goes for his supposed hatred of gays. That is also total hogwash. Ron Paul does not care what someone is. He sees us all as individuals with God given rights. If you value liberty and the Constitution, then you are Ron Paulâs brother or sister in liberty, whatever your color, creed, or sexual preference.
This smear campaign reminds me of how the whole militia movement of the 1990âs was smeared as racist, even when some of the leadership in that movement was non-white. It also reminds me of how the Branch Davidian victimes of government abuse were portrayed by the vast majority of media reports as being a bunch of religious extremist white people with guns, with the not-so-subtle implication that they too were racist. Most Americans thus never knew that the majority of the Branch Davidians were in fact non-white. There were an estimated 40 blacks in that homestead church of 120 members, and among the Blacks killed in the fire were Wayne Martin, a 42-year-old Harvard trained lawyer and four of his seven children. There were also entire families of Hispanics and Asians among them, and many mixed-race marriages and children. But the facts never stop the media or the wanna-be media in the blogosphere. Racism in general, and especially antisemitism, has always been the smear of choice against the Freedom Movement.
This is just a desperate attempt by a desperate establishment to silence this resurgent freedom movement by smearing Ron Paul with the same old smear of choice, racism.
Stewart Rhodes
Yale Law graduate, veteran, Mexican-American, and proud former Ron Paul staffer
Still no explanation by the Paulites why Paul allowed a newsletter to be published in his name over the past couple of decades that posted racist and bigoted remarks concerning groups of a minority status.
The Paul spin machine clearly working in overdrive...
The Paul spin machine clearly working in overdrive...
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
Still no explanation by the Paulites why Paul allowed a newsletter to be published in his name over the past couple of decades that regularly posted racist and bigoted remarks concerning groups of a minority status.
The Paul spin machine clearly working in overdrive...
Here it is from the source's own mouth:
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I read Paul's comments, he had no valid explanation why he didn't distance himself from the publication a long time ago...until now when it matters he is trying to spin away from it.
If it was wrong then to allow the publication to use his name without his consent, it still puts him knowingly in the wrong and trying to blame someone else for the exposure of his past approval of racist bigoted crap.
Spin, spin, spin...
If it was wrong then to allow the publication to use his name without his consent, it still puts him knowingly in the wrong and trying to blame someone else for the exposure of his past approval of racist bigoted crap.
Spin, spin, spin...
Quote from ratboy88:
Here it is from the source's own mouth:
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