Ron Paul drilling Bernanke a new one..

I have been voting since 1978.

Personally, I voted for the winner only once 1984 and no, I didn't vote for him in 1980. I don't think that I voted for either major party since 1984 - Libertarian for a while, but others more recently - even Green as my concern for our country grew.

I've always felt that my vote counted anyways - one less vote for the establishment. I know that there are others who feel the same way.

This has been a good thread despite what the previous poster thinks. Obviously, many Americans are concerned, but no doubt feel powerless. Personally, I think that America is in trouble and in decline.

I also think that it can be reversed, although we may never be the power we once were.

If either party would put forward a candidate that I thought would work to strengthen, rather than weaken our country - I would vote that candidate.

After some research, I'm thinking that Ron Paul is my choice for 2008. It's too early to be certain, that's where I stand for now.
 
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Personally, I voted for the winner only once 1984 and no, I didn't vote for him in 1980. I don't think that I voted for either major party since 1984 - Libertarian for a while, but others more recently - even Green as my concern for our country grew.

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Only a major party candidate can obviously be taken seriously in presidential elections.

Ideologically, Paul is the most conservative Republican. Unfortunately, the Republican Party is full of compassionate bs. What ever happened to smaller government?
 
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neocons rule

they have for the past 8 years
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do you just play devil's advocate on every single post you make? I've never seen you make an intelligent post.
 
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Our founding fathers understood that democracy is the worst form of government. 51% can dominate the other 49%. Mob rule. That is why we were designed as a Republic.

Incidentally that is also why we are continually sold on the idea that we are a Democracy. That's a lie. Well, it was a lie... it has become somewhat true these days.

Look into the 17th amendment. Senators being popularly elected was a HUGE step away from a tethered Republic and brought us towards the mob rule Democracy we have today. That one thing is a significant reason the lobbyists and corporations have gained so much control.

The Constitution was carefully designed to prevent mob rule and also prevent power from consolidating. Those constraints have been systematically and incrementally destroyed.

The other important part is the Federal Reserve and having our money based on Treasury bonds. The Fed is unconstitutional and largely the source of their power.

There was a silent coup in the early 1900s. The corporations and banks took over this country.

We will have a revolution eventually. If it's not by Ron Paul sooner, it will be bloody later.
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I have give a fair amount of thought to your post and agree with some of it. I guess my only response and original point for that matter is that I would like to more fair and equal representation for the people. I feel that a parliamentary would do just such a thing. You vote for a party and then that party gets a % of power based on popular vote. In practice it seems to work well in educated societies like Canada and Europe as a whole. They have 5-6 parties to chose from not just 2, that's my main problem with the status quo.

Why do we have an electoral college? It's totally unnecessary.

And I am sorry to say, but I think under our current political system if you vote an opposing party for example, Libertarian or Green, you vote is wasted. Unless you can open the system up to more the ruling 2 party system, you just making a statement which will have no overall effect. Unless you rally the masses no Green or Libertarian party member is going to win. A parliamentary system would do just such a thing.

I would really like to see mandatory voting for a citizens. If you don't vote you lose your driving privileges or receive a fine. I don't care who you vote for, just get of your tv watching ass and vote.

Political contributions and special interest lobbying needs to be severally limited too. This is how our country has become corrupt at a political level.

The masses are just not quite unhappy enough to be really motivated.
 
You may be right about parliament vs. constitutional republic. But we're talking about a bloodless revolution at the moment.


What do you mean by "wasted" vote? If you want to be on the right side of the election trade, place your bet: www.sportsbook.com

Voting for what you believe in is certainly never "wasted". I would say your vote is "wasted" if you support the lesser of two evils. Your vote represents you.
 
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wrong. if you can sit through his speeches and tell me he is clueless, that tells me you have not the slightest clue. If you would like to get mauled on this board for an apparently uninformed remark, so be it. He makes more sense than anyone in congress(at least that I have heard or at least care to hear). My guess is you 1) do not know what you are talking about and like others to think that you do 2) dont know shit about shit but are trying to make yourself think that you do 3) are so bored at your 155 acre property in Idaho, after giving up your life story in the first three posts have run out of topics and bullshit to talk about so now you are winging conversation. Not that I appologize, but buddy, i just had to.
 
If you get rid of the Electoral College you also get rid of the last vestige of state vs Federal power, which correctly put is local vs mass opinion.
This is obviously a legitimate stance, but you should be aware of what you're standing for.
 
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Yeah, whatever...
Dude you are a zero when it comes to economics...
You know nothing...
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Oh my God stock trad3r: you are one of the biggest losers I know on this board. I just remembered your commentary on some companies... I have to find it, but you buddy are a complete moron. A real classified mega-nega-spammer, another guess for you ,,, you are less than 21 yrs but over 19. am I right? eheh? I am so good, somebody stop me.
 
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