Ron Paul: Barack Obama is Not a Socialist

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Yup, I am too far gone ...

Yep ,even a stopped clock is right at least once in a day.

Here's your moment, my advice is celebrate it.

 

[Lucrum]

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Everything factual is liberal, all made up shit comes directly from the constitution.

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...I've NEVER met a Liberal who wasn't better educated and more intelligent than the AVERAGE person.

Well now you have...

RangeBar meet hermit.

 

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Republicans and tea party activists are fond of accusing President Barack Obama of being a socialist, but today party gadfly Ron Paul said they had it wrong.

“In the technical sense, in the economic definition, he is not a socialist,” the Texas Republican said to a smattering of applause at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference.

“He’s a corporatist,” Paul quickly added, meaning the president takes “care of corporations and corporations take over and run the country.”

Supporters of the Texas lawmaker appear to represent a significant number of the 3,500 attendees here, fueling speculation that Paul is likely to win the straw poll later today. The Campaign for Liberty, Paul’s political outfit, declined to discuss how many of his supporters were at SRLC.

The Texan’s supporters often descend on political gatherings to vote for him in 2012 straw polls. In February, he won the Conservative Political Action Conference’s straw poll with a hefty 31% of the vote.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/04/10/ron-paul-barack-obama-is-not-a-socialist/tab/article/

Socialism is a term which describes several more/less centrally planned authoritarian/totalitarian collectivist ideologies etc.

 

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Ron Paul is the king of fruitcakes

Wow, that was beautiful, ad hominem executed to perfection!!!

 

[loik]

Quote from Ricter:

A majority could, with the right upbringing, which is what wealthy families give their kids.

And what can government give everyone?

You are wrong there. It is precisely equality of opportunity that the left desires, and what we do not have, not by a long shot.

Our society is playing a game of Texas hold'em with an additional rule, where the winner of the current hand gets to add one rank to, or choose the suit of, one of his cards in the next deal, and he also gets to choose who will take his seat when he gets up.

We need a separation of business and state.

What oppurtunities, they limit the oppurtunities, in order for their plan to work, it`s an illusion.

Agree!

 

[loik]

Quote from Ricter:

Meanwhile, Obama has appointed the CEOs of Boeing and Xerox to head up his export initiative council. These are people who, even if they wanted to, cannot (thanks to their shareholders) do anything but favor capital over labor. This man is no socialist.

Which laborers are you refering to?

 

[loik]

Quote from hermit:

Nice idea - throw a bunch of words around and hope that it all makes sense together.

Some information - Fascism is considered far right on the conventional left-right political spectrum and is an opponent of liberalism, Marxism, and socialism. And Corporatism is a byproduct of capitalism.

Facism/socialism are fractions amongst the people who want a centrally planned authoritarian/totalitarian collectivist society, i.e. a government they can use to enrich themselves at the expense of others. Corporatism is what you get when aforementioned people decide to share the power/wealth.

 

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Quote from Ricter:

Meanwhile, Obama has appointed the CEOs of Boeing and Xerox to head up his export initiative council. These are people who, even if they wanted to, cannot (thanks to their shareholders) do anything but favor capital over labor. This man is no socialist.

Which laborers are you refering to?

 

[loik]

Quote from Mav88:

Basically the government in bed with corporations, the degree to which and the exact mechanisms are not always clear since it can simply a personal relationship or it can be an actual legal arangement like GM. Albert Speer sort of... sort of controlled Nazi industry, but mostly they liked and cooperated with Hitler anyway.

Some people like to say that the political spectrum is a horseshoe, not a line, with the far right and far left merging. I agree because whether you outright own the means of production, or simply take the output for political ends, is an artificial distinction.

You effectively own a company if you tax and regulate it enough.

Ron is thinking that corporations are running the gov't, not the other way around. I think it is a mixture, but ultimately Obama's instincts are to rule.

No, not just corporations, it includes every special interest group in society, that is to say that every group can enrich themselves at the expense of others with the aid of the government, which has the right and the monopoly on inititiating violence/extortion/coercion etc.

Political compass put the communists/socialists/fascists etc in the authoritarian camp, and the anarhists/minarchist/laissez-faire capitalists etc in the libertarian camp.

 

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Quote from hermit:

Everything factual is liberal, all made up shit comes directly from the constitution.

I thought it was the other way around, i.e. the liberals/leftists/collectivists/proponents of central planning has an abstract theory on how society should be organized, regardless of what/how the individuals think/function/need etc.