Quote from atticus:
My statement implies that people earning on W2s are paying through FICA and/or other means. 1.45% (2.9% if self-employed, corp) of gross, IIRC.
Assume that you earn an average salary of $120k for 35 years. You pay $60k into the system over your lifetime for virtually unlimited health benefits. Sure, you have a co-pay for the supplemental, but it's a pittance. Stenosis and a stent or two? You've exceeded your contribution on the first procedure. A week in ICU and you've doubled your LIFETIME contribution in benefits received.
Go try and get comprehensive health insurance (not hospitalization) at age 58 with a pre-existing condition. Let's see what you'll pay... well, don't bother as you're uninsurable.
football is on dude, so i will argue later. But you are straying from the point. You asked lucrum if he would be refrain form taking medicare out of principle. I am saying, in principle, you have a right to get your money plus a return back if you were forced to pay in. Since that isn't an option in medicare, then you should take the benefit.
My dad happened to have a stent put in a few years ago, he is on a private group plan and obviously his premiums weren't effected by the surgery, the private company eats the loss. There is a benefit to banning denial for pre-existing conditions or providing some incentive for a private alternative, but obamacare isn't the answer. If you have a preexisting condition you ARE more risky and your premiums logically have to be higher. i pay higher prems cause i smoke, it makes sense.