Romney Comes Up Flat In First Debate

Quote from nutmeg:

The rule in a heavyweight championship fight is the challenger has to take the title, not just hold his own. By that standard, Romney fell pitifully short tonight.
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You're right. I do believe Romney had the ammo to take off the gloves and get down and dirty but was too much mister nice guy. Perhaps Obama has that effect on people when they are near him.

Romney said to Obama, "you're entitled to your house and your car but not to your own facts" Whoa! I think that took Obama by surprise and Imo, gave me the impression Romney could get aggresive but didn't.
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Nope. It was a much stronger thumping than that. Turn on BSNBC and watch all the Obama pundits crying and blaming Obama for being out of it. And, of course, their standard mantra, "Romney lied."
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

The rule in a heavyweight championship fight is the challenger has to take the title, not just hold his own. By that standard, Romney fell pitifully short tonight. He was technically competent, as expected. He made many cogent points, but neve really laid a glove on the incumbent, who portrayed himself implausibly as the champion of the middle class, a tax cutter for business and a ruthless opponent of government waste.

Debate moderator Jim Lehrer bordered on an embarrassment. He never seemed in control and basically left the evening up to the participants, to a point. However, and perhaps this is his genius, his stumbling attempts at providing direction somehow managed to steer the debate more to wonky minutae than to the big picture failures of the obama administration.

That said, Romney had plenty of opportunities to make the case himself and basically wiffed. He got bogged down in long discussions of tax policy and medicare, to no real conclusion. One example, he brought up the Obamacare panels that will ultilmately decide that 70 year olds really do not need hip transplants, MRIs or heart bypasses because we need the money to pay for prenatal care for illegal immigrants, but he could never get it into the end zone. One imagines Sarah Palin pulling her hair in frustration. Really, Mitt, is it so hard to say that these panels will do just what they do in Canada and the UK and deny services that are routinely provided now?

I thought Obama was generally superb. He was lying through his teeth for much of the debate, but he is good at it and was not really challenged by Romney. He displayed an impressive grasp of the issues, faked sincere concern for the middle class and hit his talking points on the Romney tax and medicare plans.

The average undecided, ie clueless, voter will take away that these are both good men with similar policies but that Obama is more attuned to their needs. That makes it a loss, and a big one, for Romney.
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You're right and somewhat wrong. Yes, the contender needs a knockout, but the fight is not yet over. Romney scored many good body blows this evening and had Obama off his game. Is Obama out of it? Not by a longshot, but Romney came off looking a hell of a lot tougher than I ever expected him to be. Should be a heck of a battle from here on out.
 
I thought it was interesting. When Obama has his solo speach thing that is so popular he does well. When he is arguing topics and putting stats and figures forwards he is terrible. One thing that I thought was important was the final comments. Obama did one of his speaches when he tried to personalise some story about someone he met and the talk of America. Romney on the other hand gave a list of problems and how he would solve them. To me it seemed like all Obama can do is talk about a romanticised view of things and try and sell it. When it comes to real policy and strategy he is clueless. He is like a sales man or advertisement and he showed that tonight.
 
Quote from pspr:

Nope. It was a much stronger thumping than that. Turn on BSNBC and watch all the Obama pundits crying and blaming Obama for being out of it. And, of course, their standard mantra, "Romney lied."
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Regardless of who people think won or who side they are on the one thing everyone agrees on is Romney lies. You can't name one issue where Romney hasn't taken both sides of the issue. And what he says he will do means absolutely nothing, he may do good he may not, I don't think he even knows what he'll do if he gets in office.
 
Quote from CaptainObvious:

You're right and somewhat wrong. Yes, the contender needs a knockout, but the fight is not yet over. Romney scored many good body blows this evening and had Obama off his game. Is Obama out of it? Not by a longshot, but Romney came off looking a hell of a lot tougher than I ever expected him to be. Should be a heck of a battle from here on out.
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+1, this one is definitely coming down to the last play of the game.
 
Quote from bigarrow:

Regardless of who people think won or who side they are on the one thing everyone agrees on is Romney lies. You can't name one issue where Romney hasn't taken both sides of the issue.
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Superb description of all politicians. They all wear the title of liar equally.
 
Quote from bigarrow:

My king, wtf is that about?
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I just edited my thread. Sorry. I was thinking of someone else at the time I posted. Been a long night. You're OK, dude, even though we don't agree on much.
 
This debate was like an early Tyson fight. Romney didn't just win, he knocked his ass through the ropes ... What the hell was the op watching???
 
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