Romney 48% Obama 43%

[AK Forty Seven]

Quote from Epic:

If you are gonna make a claim like that, then you are gonna have to provide some evidence to support it.

On the contrary, it falls behind both of them in terms of both pricing and service. Looks to me like UPS and FedEx are actually driving USPS package shipping rates lower.

1.Just look at most private industries that doesn't have government competition


2. UPS is not cheaper then the post office,for example


5 pound package from 70122 to 90120,compare the prices

UPS next day service 78.00-121.00

Post office next day service 37.00-40.00

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from Brass:

And even though the Postal Service is self funded and does not receive tax dollars?

Quote from Lucrum:

The USPS receives no tax dollars what so ever?

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[377OHMS]

Quote from Eight:

I hate the USPS, or their union really. They will not stop junk mail for anybody. It would take jobs away from their workers. Whole forests are cut down and thrown away every year because of some bullshit irrational demands from some union bosses and members. See forestethics.com for details and to petition to stop it, see righttoworkcommittee.org about the Union problem..

This was a pet peeve of mine for years.

When I was a renter it wasn't too bad but when I became a homeowner the amount of junk mail coming to my home was outrageous. Some days it was *pounds* of pure unsolicited junk mail without a single bill or anything with my name on it.

Then I moved to my current home and my driveway is about 2000 feet long and steep and my mailbox was all the way down at the street. I decided that I had enough of dealing with junk mail.

I rented a box at a UPS store in an area where I grocery shop and where the dry cleaners that I use is. I changed the address on all of my utility accounts (they allow you to have a service address and a separate billing address), mortgage, DMV ( I also changed the address on my drivers license to this box), bank statements etc and then waited awhile to make sure everything that I wanted was going to this rented box.

I did *not* submit a USPS address forwarding form to the post office.

Then I simply removed my mailbox at my home and replaced it with a lamp post. After a couple of weeks a USPS supervisor drove up to the top of the driveway and left a note on the main gate saying that I was required by law to have a mailbox blah blah blah. I ignored that note and that was it. No more junk mail. Its been about 6 years and almost no junk mail arrives at the rented box. I think they just toss the junk mail addressed to my home at the post office since there is nowhere to deliver it.

Problem solved.

 

[bigarrow]

It's called marketing. The senders are paying the post office to deliver the mail so that is what they do. You don't have to read it.
I did some post card direct mail marketing for the first time about a year ago, it was very profitable and I'll probably do it again. I spent thousands of dollars on cards, mailing lists and postage. Just think of it this way guys when you get all those annoying mail outs what you are really getting is the American free market experience, you are seeing our economy work. Every company busting their ass to get your business. You can't have a healthy free market and not be hit with all kinds of marketing.

 

[Max E.]

Quote from Lucrum:

Actually it's the US postal service. You guys have anything like that up there in Canada?

Yep, Canada does, and just like the States its full of people who feel entitled to all kinds of different shit, at someone elses expense. Last year the Canadian Union of Postal workers went on strike, refusing to deliver the mail.

One of the things they were up in arms over was the fact that the government wanted the people who delivered mail to have to complete an 8 hour day for full salary/benefits.

The union wanted the people who deliver mail to be able to call it a day after they finished their route, which equated to a 4 hour shift, so long as you didnt dog ass it the entire time.

So basically if they worked hard (like most normal human beings) they could complete their day in 3-5 hours, and they wanted all the pay and benefits that come along with every other full time government job, of course they set their own delivery routes, so they didnt make it all that difficult to be able to complete the route in 3-5 hours.

Must be nice working for the government.

There is no difference from country to country, all these people are the same.

 

[Brass]

Quote from Lucrum:

The USPS receives no tax dollars what so ever?

I dare you to read the following piece in its entirety:

http://www.milwaukeelabor.org/in_the_news/article.cfm?n_id=00203

As an aside, are you even aware of the impositions that Congress places on the USPS? About it being revenue neutral? About price limits? About having to operate in financially infeasible areas? And a few other such considerations, but perhaps most notably, having prefund the health and pension costs of workers not yet born, unlike any other business or government agency in the country? Did you not read the full text of the last link I provided, earlier in this thread:

http://www.examiner.com/economic-po...s-moves-closer-to-privatizing-the-post-office

Remember this part:

...The excuse for the Issa bill is that the Postal Service has a huge operating deficit and can not make a $5.5 billion dollar payment to pre-fund its retirement accounts in November. The problem stems from a Republican law passed in 2006 that requires the Postal Service to pre-fund 75 years of retirement in a 10 year window. No governmental entity or private company is required to pre-fund future retirements that far out.


The original reason for the pre-funding was for the federal government to get its hands on postal service money to hide the actual deficits Republicans were running in the civil service accounts.

Republicans ran up huge deficits during the Bush years to fund wars and the Bush tax cuts. The Postal Service is self funded and does not receive tax dollars.

The CBO has previously said that the federal government owes the Postal Service up to $75 billion in over payments due to fuzzy math. That was in addition to the onerous and extraordinary requirement to make $5 billion dollar a year payment to pre-fund their pension funds. Democrats wanted the government to repay that debt to erase the Postal Service deficit and avoid the layoffs and post office closings...

It's largely about Republican accounting, and playing musical chairs with the deficits they created and are not owning up to.

And don't forget the millions of people that the USPS employs.

Seriously, you should give reading a try.

 

[bigarrow]

I don't think Lucrum is the big anti postal worker guy on this thread. You showed where the USPS is non tax funded. Myself I think the post office is a good organization with a high quality delivery service at a very cheap price. And most of the postal workers I've met seem to be good people. The USPS is an example of our federal government doing a good job.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from Brass:

I dare you to read the following piece in its entirety:

http://www.milwaukeelabor.org/in_the_news/article.cfm?n_id=00203

I'll try to read it later gabby.

As an aside, are you even aware of the impositions that Congress places on the USPS? ... having prefund the health and pension costs of workers not yet born, unlike any other business or government agency in the country?

Yes

Remember this part:...

LOL how could I forget numb nuts?
You only just mentioned it above.

And don't forget the millions of people that the USPS employs.

You sure like to exaggerate.
"The USPS employs over 574,000 workers"

Seriously, you should give reading a try.

While I work on it try reading this.

The USPS receives "subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters"

So the correct answer to my question was, YES the USPS gets some federal tax dollars.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from bigarrow:

...Myself I think the post office is a good organization with a high quality delivery service at a very cheap price.

I think it's a relatively poor quality service at a relatively cheap price.

And most of the postal workers I've met seem to be good people.

Same here, well except for the ones that went "postal".

 

[bigarrow]

Quote from Lucrum:

I think it's a relatively poor quality service at a relatively cheap price.Same here, well except for the ones that went "postal".

You're right, good people except for the crazies.