Rockets fired at Iraqi military base housing US troops

vanzandt said:
They are for now. In 10 years (tops) surface combatants will be obsolete due to hypersonic missiles. The fact that we are still spending gillions of dollars maintaining and building more of these soon to be dinosaurs is in itself a strong testimony to the deep embeddedness of the old school military industrial complex D.C. guard and their puppets in Congress and the Pentagon. For real.
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Highly doubt it. The efficacy of hypersonic missiles is overblown , much like AI/ML. You can still detect and shoot down hypersonic missiles...they aren't magical, and have the IR signature akin to the surface of the sun
 
IAS_LLC said:
Highly doubt it. The efficacy of hypersonic missiles is overblown , much like AI/ML. You can still detect and shoot down hypersonic missiles...they aren't magical, and have the IR signature akin to the surface of the sun
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Mach 20, detected and 3seconds later they've went straight though the ship, so it depends on how fast there going, but they are going to have to reenter which will slow them down rapidly and generate a lot of heat.

Definately can't dodge defenses as claimed, going to fast to turn much at all.

Only Russia (they'll supply China) and likely America secretly have this and they'll be expensive so not a worry unless fighting 1 of those 3, then it's game over anyway man!!
 
Turveyd said:
Mach 20, detected and 3seconds later they've went straight though the ship, so it depends on how fast there going, but they are going to have to reenter which will slow them down rapidly and generate a lot of heat.

Definitely can't dodge defenses as claimed, going to fast to turn much at all.

Only Russia (they'll supply China) and likely America secretly have this and they'll be expensive so not a worry unless fighting 1 of those 3, then it's game over anyway man!!
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Yeah, if you detect anything 3 seconds before impact you're probably in trouble....but there are constellations of satellites, ground base radar arrays, and AWACs that detect the launches of these things (not to mention the sensors on the ship itself). A HGV launch is no different than a ballistic missile launch....it will be detected.....early.

Also, it wont be going mach 20 once its in thick atmosphere. It it will be going fast...but a much smaller fraction.
 
IAS_LLC said:
The efficacy of hypersonic missiles is overblown , much like AI/ML. You can still detect and shoot down hypersonic missiles...they aren't magical, and have the IR signature akin to the surface of the sun
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They say they are highly maneuverable in the atmosphere. What can hit something going Mach 5 plus? A .000001 degree deflection of a control surface at that speed would render any firing solution achieved by anything that exists now (say a Patriot) useless and unrecoverable in a millisecond. From what I've read at least, yeah the heat signature is certainly there, but its like oh well... here it comes. Fire a 1/2 dozen of these things at a carrier battle group and one would have to believe the results would be debilitating. I mean even some of Saddams scuds slipped by our Patriots, and those things ran on vacuum tubes.
But again, we can only go by what we read.
 
vanzandt said:
They say they are highly maneuverable in the atmosphere. What can hit something going Mach 5 plus? A .000001 degree deflection of a control surface at that speed would render any firing solution achieved by anything that exists now (say a Patriot) useless and unrecoverable in a millisecond. From what I've read at least, yeah the heat signature is certainly there, but its like oh well... here it comes. Fire a 1/2 dozen of these things at a carrier battle group and one would have to believe the results would be debilitating. I mean even some of Saddams scuds slipped by our Patriots, and those things ran on vacuum tubes.
But again, we can only go by what we read.
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They say?

1. You can intercept something going faster than the interceptor. Case and point... people who walk into oncoming traffic.

2. You wouldn't use a Patriot to intercept one of these. You would use a THAAD , which goes mach 8.1 per Wikipedia, if on land, or an sm-3 if at sea...or something else you or I don't even know exists.

3. Interceptors are designed to outmaneuver their target. The rule of thumb is a 3:1 maneuver advantage for the interceptor if simplistic intercept algorithms are used.
 
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Also...that saddam scud that snuck through was due to a pretty embarrassing software error related to clock drift and rounding error in the fire control radar. There are good articles out there about it
 
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