Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is running for president.

[Tony Stark]

You are not even answering the question, Obama broke plenty of promises too especially on his healthcare bill, got shellacked during mid-terms but that was ok for Progressives but Biden not doing everything is a dealbreaker.

You are being disingenuous here.

He got millions healthcare and ended the pre existing condition ban.The bill that passed would have gotten millions more free coverage if The SC didn't strike down parts of the bill. Biden didn't get us anything.Didn't even try.

You are the one being disingenuous acting as though Obama getting millions healthcare and ending the pre existing condition ban is the same as Biden doing nothing.

 

[Tony Stark]

Democrats will vote when they see Trump or Desatan as the alternative, promising national six weeks abortion ban with ban on liberal culture everywhere. There is no real Dem primary for the 30% presumptive poll to even matter.

80 years of polling history says they wont.

 

[exGOPer]

He got millions healthcare and ended the pre existing condition ban.The bill that passed would have gotten millions more free coverage if The SC didn't strike down parts of the bill. Biden didn't get us anything.Didn't even try.

You are the one being disingenuous acting as though Obama getting millions healthcare and ending the pre existing condition ban is the same as Biden doing nothing.

But so did Romney as Governor, the point is that ACA was not what progressives wanted, they wanted a public option and many were disappointed about it. Did Obama ran a campaign on passing the Heritage Foundation plan?

You didn't even touch the point about how progressives were disappointed that Obama filled his cabinet with Goldman Sachs alumni after promising to punish bankers because it doesn't suit your narrative.

Those two were the biggest criticisms by progressives at that time and you don't want to even touch that. Did progressives not vote for Obama in 2012 because of those?

 

[Tony Stark]

Why don't you post Reagan vs Biden and show how much lower Reagan went. Did Reagan win a second term or not?

I did post the data Reagans Gallup low is 35 and Bidens 37 and both are net -20 at 538

Reagan won re election but he was 15 points higher than Biden at this point.

 

[exGOPer]

80 years of polling history says they wont.

Democrats made history in 2022 with the best results in nearly 100 years for a sitting President but in 2024 everything is going to be doom and gloom with the same President in office.

Lot of wishful thinking there which is very common among progs.

 

[exGOPer]

I did post the data Reagans Gallup low is 35 and Bidens 37 and both are net -20 at 538

Reagan won re election but he was 15 points higher than Biden at this point.

Again you are looking at spiky Reagan numbers instead of simply looking at the trends.

 

[Tony Stark]

But so did Romney as Governor, the point is that ACA was not what progressives wanted, they wanted a public option and many were disappointed about it. Did Obama ran a campaign on passing the Heritage Foundation plan?

You didn't even touch the point about how progressives were disappointed that Obama filled his cabinet with Goldman Sachs alumni after promising to punish bankers because it doesn't suit your narrative.

Those two were the biggest criticisms by progressives at that time and you don't want to even touch that. Did progressives not vote for Obama in 2012 because of those?

It was not what we wanted,but far more acceptable than what we got from Biden,which is nothing.

We didn't like The Sachs crew but he did end some of the Bush tax cuts,cut military spending and passed a bank bill that would have prevented the current bank failures if Trump hadnt repealed it.


Do you not understand raising taxes on the rich,some banking regulation,some military spending cuts compared to no raising taxes on the rich,no banking regulation and no military spending which is what we got under Biden?

 

[Tony Stark]

Again you are looking at spiky Reagan numbers instead of simply looking at the trends.

Overall numbers is what matters.Obama,Clinton,Bush,Reagan were all 15+ points higher than Biden,Trump and Carter at this point.

 

[Tony Stark]

Democrats made history in 2022 with the best results in nearly 100 years for a sitting President but in 2024 everything is going to be doom and gloom with the same President in office.

Lot of wishful thinking there which is very common among progs.

Progs would vote for Warnock,Kelly,Fetterman,Whithmer etc.Progs will not be voting for Biden.

 

[exGOPer]

It was not what we wanted,but far more acceptable than what we got from Biden,which is nothing.

We didn't like The Sachs crew but he did end some of the Bush tax cuts,cut military spending and passed a bank bill that would have prevented the current bank failures if Trump hadnt repealed it.


Do you not understand raising taxes on the rich,some banking regulation,some military spending cuts compared to no raising taxes on the rich,no banking regulation and no military spending which is what we got under Biden?

Nothing? What happened to the infrastructure bill and the 2 trillion rescue bill? Or all the black judges which Republicans keep complaining about.

Did you forget that the American Rescue act raised taxes on the rich?