RIVN is holding up very well

nitrene said:
More vaporware from companies just like in the late '90s.

I remember CommerceOne and their never ending "press releases" about building B2B platforms.

Rivian is doing great, it is only down 78%. I guess that's better than the 90% it was down a few months. It has $15 billion in cash & equivalents and burns $1.5 billion per quarter. They better make some money in the next 10 quarters or they are toast.
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Yeah, you can't count any of the EV players out. 2035 is around the corner and represents a huge market for the taking. Some will be bought out by the establishment, others will disappear and some will make it on their own.
The biggest competition will come from China. They make the batteries, have the lowest labor cost, the financial strength and the drive to be leaders. Look at Tesla's factories... None will outperform Shanghai, ever.
Korea will slowly continue to move up market while Japan has totally failed to jump in the race, preferring to outsource their EVs to their competitors. Europe will hold on to their market share because of their protectionist measures yet will continue to struggle with their hard to export mass market (EV) production.
America will be a shit show, with a production base struggling to move away from ice to EV, a political environment in which one party will challenge anything the other party supports, where there is financing for great design ideas and prototyping but little behind to support serious production, because US production is very expensive.
 
VicBee said:
Yeah, you can't count any of the EV players out. 2035 is around the corner and represents a huge market for the taking. Some will be bought out by the establishment, others will disappear and some will make it on their own.
The biggest competition will come from China. They make the batteries, have the lowest labor cost, the financial strength and the drive to be leaders. Look at Tesla's factories... None will outperform Shanghai, ever.
Korea will slowly continue to move up market while Japan has totally failed to jump in the race, preferring to outsource their EVs to their competitors. Europe will hold on to their market share because of their protectionist measures yet will continue to struggle with their hard to export mass market (EV) production.
America will be a shit show, with a production base struggling to move away from ice to EV, a political environment in which one party will challenge anything the other party supports, where there is financing for great design ideas and prototyping but little behind to support serious production, because US production is very expensive.
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China jumped in on the EV bandwagon w/both feet years ago so they will be a dominant force. Korea's got very decent products and I'd say they're up there w/the US in terms of tech. In the US the things that make most sense are PHEVs but Americans are not known to be sensical so I see products like the Rivian and F150 selling in numbers (as opposed to the weak take-up of PHEVs).

Japan's bet on fuel cells I'd say is technologically ahead of BEVs but it's a non starter until we start cracking hydrogen w/nuclear and there's someone willing to build the distribution infra.

The Bezos crack is two fold. Amazon did not see revenue forever when it went public and they're also heavily invested in seeing Rivian succeed (20% ownership if I recall).
 
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