Rimm

RIMM is an accident waiting to happen!

  • a' coup sur - OUI!

    Votes: 4 12.9%
  • pas question! NON!

    Votes: 3 9.7%
  • backing truck up if it breaks 130

    Votes: 3 9.7%
  • looking to short soon

    Votes: 21 67.7%

  • Total voters
    31
Goldman is not really an institution per say. They can be more accurately compared to a large secretive hedge fund.

They upgrade a stock for their own reasons.

Quote from Longhorns:

Golman raised the price target to 170 this morning.
 
Does anyone have any insight into how Goldmans analysts and there Global Alpha unit interact? I just get the hunch that there analysts opinions and what there actual traders are doing is vastly different.
 
Quote from eagle488:

No, do not short. Buy the puts instead. If you are a gambling man, then read on. If you are careful technician, then stop reading.

I have *guarded* confidence that this is going back to $83 and here is why. The 50 week moving average is at $83 and the chart appears to be forming a head&shoulders. All this tells me that this would make a great short.

HOWEVER, this stock is hugely popular with the general public, institutions and analysts. Due to its popularity, they could easily reverse the trend if they so wanted. Thats why I heavily emphasize the word *guarded*.

Most everyone is going to hold into the New Year and then sell so they can book profits ahead of an expected recession/pullback in the economy and not have to pay taxes for 16 months on the gain.

While the Blackberry device is popular, most corporations are pulling back their spending expecting a downturn in the economy. They wont be spending their extra cash on Blackberry devices if they dont absolutely have to. There are also several competing devices that seem more palatable then the Blackberry.

I work for one of the ten largest corporations in the world by market capitalization. We are pulling back our spending in most every department in anticipation of the global recession.

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=RIMM&p=W&b=5&g=0&id=p58369272969

There does appear to be a hanging man on the technical chart. The selloff from 142 to 129 is on good volume. If Rimm does not turn around at this point (its 10 percent off its high), then it will keep going. At some point it will rise again to make the next shoulder of the head n shoulders and go back to its 50 week moving average.

If you want me to come to an opinion right now, I would say that it is going back to under 100 in a few months time.

Do not short as popularity of the stock might easily reverse the trend. Buy the puts.

good analysis???? Huh? But you sound pretty sure!? If so, are you shorting (more) stock or buying puts >>right now......... or just analyzing it !

remember one thing >> this is year-ending triple witching. RIMM therefor "could" be at 140 next week... not saying it will but it is doable.

just don't see it being cracked before X-mas; might be wrong!



IcE
:cool:
 
I am short the stock and like where it closed but you make a good point Ice regarding expriation. If things look better tomorrow I may pick up a few Dec calls as a hedge.
 
Shorting RIMM isnt a part of my current plan.

The one thing that makes me sound so sure is the chart. How many times have you seen a chart like this result in a head/shoulders?

The stock suddenly rises way up above the 50 week moving average. At some point it has to go back to the blue line. A stock going back to the blue line doesnt mean something is wrong, its just making a normal and healthy correction. It simply got ahead of itself and people are taking profits.

I would buy it when it hits the blue line though. However, if there is a recession, then it will go to the red line.

This is how a recession works. Back before the recession in 2001, San Francisco was such a sweet place. Women were very liberal, good times every where to be found. Anyone could find a six figure job just by lieing to some tech company. Everyone was driving a nice car and living it up large. Threesomes with chicks. Ahhhh, the life.

Then there was that day, that one fateful day, when everything suddenly turned into night. No more tech craze, no more growth, the for-lease signs hanging outside all the offices. The new cars sold off. No more chicks, no more parties. People getting laid off. The Bay area turned from good times to nightmare overnight.

That is a recession and before you know it, your right in the middle of it.

Its time to snag the blackberries and throw them up against the wall. No more blackberry devices and to the dump with the RIMM.


Quote from iceman1:

good analysis???? Huh? But you sound pretty sure!? If so, are you shorting (more) stock or buying puts >>right now......... or just analyzing it !

remember one thing >> this is year-ending triple witching. RIMM therefor "could" be at 140 next week... not saying it will but it is doable.

just don't see it being cracked before X-mas; might be wrong!



IcE
:cool:
 
Quote from Mvic:

I am short the stock and like where it closed but you make a good point Ice regarding expiration. If things look better tomorrow I may pick up a few Dec calls as a hedge.

didn't it gap lower today; thought so. we can't swear it's going to fill but I've seen hundreds of expiry where the range is wide on high vola stocks and indexes so that gaps can easily fill. that would peg RIMM near or above 135. but 125 is doable before any move higher... and what i don't like is the close near lows; not a good precursor! we will see.

normally 6 days could be uneventful but being Dec triple witch gotta remain somewhat open-minded to potential whipsaw action.

M

p.s. wanted to add >> when downside begins strongly (or upside) the week prior to expiry i think its a high probability that we move higher (lower) into mid-week of expiry.

someone back-test my theory and post.
 
Quote from eagle488:

Shorting RIMM isnt a part of my current plan.

The one thing that makes me sound so sure is the chart. How many times have you seen a chart like this result in a head/shoulders?

The stock suddenly rises way up above the 50 week moving average. At some point it has to go back to the blue line. A stock going back to the blue line doesn't mean something is wrong, its just making a normal and healthy correction. It simply got ahead of itself and people are taking profits.

I would buy it when it hits the blue line though. However, if there is a recession, then it will go to the red line.

This is how a recession works. Back before the recession in 2001, San Francisco was such a sweet place. Women were very liberal, good times every where to be found. Anyone could find a six figure job just by lieing to some tech company. Everyone was driving a nice car and living it up large. Threesomes with chicks. Ahhhh, the life.

Then there was that day, that one fateful day, when everything suddenly turned into night. No more tech craze, no more growth, the for-lease signs hanging outside all the offices. The new cars sold off. No more chicks, no more parties. People getting laid off. The Bay area turned from good times to nightmare overnight.

That is a recession and before you know it, your right in the middle of it.

Its time to snag the blackberries and throw them up against the wall. No more blackberry devices and to the dump with the RIMM.

... be sure to wear a flower in your hair! :p

i agree bro...

started this thread because it is not IF but WHEN rimm gets hammered. i just don't want to miss the train if it is starting this week. I will watch today's gap for a clue!

b.t.w.

take a look at JCI

do you also see a H/S on daily (potential left shoulder in October)

tyia

M
 
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=JCI&p=D&b=9&g=0&id=p66543382238

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=JCI&p=D&b=2&g=0&id=p20913900164

I see two price channels.

The major channel is between 65 and 89. The minor channel is between 80 and 85.

It will only break 85 on major news. Down from here it will either go to 80 before bouncing up the minor channel or down to 65 before bouncing up. I dont see it breaking out of its minor channel therefore not a good short.

Commercial reits seem to be on a tear as of late and JCI might be a good recession era stock. There were small dips during the last two recessions, but it recovered.

Great long term holding stock. Buy on the dips and hold for 5 ore more years.

Quote from iceman1:

... be sure to wear a flower in your hair! :p

i agree bro...

started this thread because it is not IF but WHEN rimm gets hammered. i just don't want to miss the train if it is starting this week. I will watch today's gap for a clue!

b.t.w.

take a look at JCI

do you also see a H/S on daily (potential left shoulder in October)

tyia

M
 
Quote from eagle488:

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=JCI&p=D&b=9&g=0&id=p66543382238

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=JCI&p=D&b=2&g=0&id=p20913900164

I see two price channels.

The major channel is between 65 and 89. The minor channel is between 80 and 85.

It will only break 85 on major news. Down from here it will either go to 80 before bouncing up the minor channel or down to 65 before bouncing up. I dont see it breaking out of its minor channel therefore not a good short.

Commercial reits seem to be on a tear as of late and JCI might be a good recession era stock. There were small dips during the last two recessions, but it recovered.

Great long term holding stock. Buy on the dips and hold for 5 ore more years.

thanks

technically > JCI (Johnson Controls) seems like a potential H & S begiining wth LS in October. of course like i was taught its not correct to say H/S until it breaks NL and unsuccessfully re-tests
 
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