Right wing extremists more of a threat than Muslim extremists..

The Latest: Neighbors Say Clinic Shooting Suspect Was Quiet
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/latest-police-id-clinic-gunman-robert-lewis-dear-35461062

"The man who police say attacked a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado had lived part of the time in a cabin with no electricity or running water in the North Carolina mountains.

His neighbors in Black Mountain said Robert Lewis Dear kept mostly to himself. But James Russell said when Dear did talk, it was a rambling combination of a number of topics that didn't make sense together and he tended to avoid eye contact.

Two topics Russell said he never heard Dear talk about were religion or abortion.

Dear's cabin was a half-mile up a curvy dirt road about 15 miles west of Asheville. A cross made of twigs was nailed to the wall of the pale yellow shack on Saturday.

Dear also spent time in a house in the nearby town of Swannanoa."
 
you (either) desperately wanted to act like an fertilized egg was not a human being.... didn't you. But, you had to resort to this twisted, specious sophistry. Does anyone say a fertilized chicken egg is not a chicken?

or you are actually making an argument that in support of the pro life movement indicating that virtually no pro life person is a right wing extremist.


piezoe said:
"Right Wing Extremist" = An American who believes a fertilized human egg is a human being, but a fertilized chicken egg is not a chicken.
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Suspect in Colorado attack called loner who left few clues
http://www.wral.com/gunman-in-custody-after-attack-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/15140666/

A man from North Carolina described as a loner who avoided eye contact opened fire at a Colorado Planned Parenthood clinic and killed three people, including a police officer, authorities and neighbors said.

Authorities weren't ready to discuss a possible motive Saturday after interviewing 57-year-old suspect Robert Lewis Dear, Colorado Springs Mayor John Suthers said.

However, people can make "inferences from where it took place," said Suthers, a former state attorney general who also suggested Dear's mental health was part of the investigation.

Those who knew Dear said he seemed to have few religious or political leanings.

"If you talked to him, nothing with him was very cognitive — topics all over place," said James Russell, who lives a few hundred feet from Dear in Black Mountain. A cross made of twigs hung Saturday on the wall of Dear's pale yellow shack.

Police say Dear entered the Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs and opened fire on Friday. The five-hour siege that followed included several gun battles with police as patients and staff members took cover under furniture and inside locked rooms.

By the time the shooter surrendered, three people were dead — including a police officer — and nine others were wounded.

It marked the latest mass shooting to stun the nation and prompted President Barack Obama to warn, "We can't let it become normal."

"If we're going to offer up our thoughts and prayers again, for God knows how many times, with a truly clean conscience — then we have to do something about the easy accessibility of weapons of war on our streets to people who have no business wielding them," the president said.

Planned Parenthood said all its staff members at the clinic were safe and that it did not know whether the organization was the target of the attack.

University of Colorado police officer Garrett Swasey, 44, a six-year veteran of the force, was killed during the siege. He was married and had a son and daughter, according to the website of his church, Hope Chapel in Colorado Springs.

No details were immediately available about the two civilians who died. Five other officers and four people were hospitalized in good condition. At least four of those victims were later released.

"Certainly it could have been much, much worse if it were not for the heroism of our police officers to corner the person in the building," Colorado Springs Fire Chief Chris Riley said.

Suthers praised the security staff on duty at the clinic and said they were helpful in working with police to monitor the gunman's whereabouts on surveillance video and advising on the building's layout.

Witnesses described a chaotic scene when the shooting first started just before noon.

Ozy Licano said he was in the parking lot of the two-story building and trying to escape in his car when the gunman looked at him.

"He came out, and we looked each other in the eye, and he started aiming, and then he started shooting," Licano said. "I saw two holes go right through my windshield as I was trying to quickly back up and he just kept shooting and I started bleeding."

Licano drove away and took refuge at a nearby grocery store.

"He was aiming for my head," Licano said of the gunman. "It's just weird to stare in the face of someone like that. And he didn't win."

Inside the clinic, Jennifer Motolinia ducked under a table and called her brother, Joan, to leave him final instructions for the care of her three children in case the gunman found her.

Joan Motolinia said he could hear gunshots in the background as his sister spoke. "She was telling me to take care of her babies because she could get killed," he said.

For others, the first sign that something was wrong came when police appeared and ushered people to the second floor. Planned Parenthood employee Cynthia Garcia told her mother, Tina Garcia, that the officers wouldn't say why they were gathering everybody together. Then she heard the gunshots.

Her daughter and the others were holed up for hours while the standoff raged, Tina Garcia said.

Some people managed to escape the building and flee to a nearby bank. An armored vehicle was seen taking evacuees away from the clinic to ambulances waiting nearby.

For hours, police had no communication with the shooter other than hearing his intermittent gunfire from inside the Colorado Springs clinic. Officers eventually moved in, shouted at the gunman and persuaded him to surrender, police said.

About five hours after the attack started, authorities led away a man wearing a white T-shirt.

With the immediate threat over, authorities swept the building and turned their attention to inspecting unspecified items the gunman left outside the building or carried inside in bags. They were concerned that he had planted improvised explosive devices meant to cause even more destruction.

Police Lt. Catherine Buckley said Saturday the items were no longer a threat. She declined to elaborate.

Dear's cabin is a half-mile up a curvy dirt road about 15 miles west of Asheville, North Carolina. He also had a trailer in the nearby town of Swannanoa.

Other neighbors knew Dear but didn't want to give their names because they said they were fearful he might retaliate.

Russell and others said the only companion they saw with Dear was a mangy dog, who looked to be in such bad shape they called animal control because they worried he was beating it.
 
jem said:
you (either) desperately wanted to act like an fertilized egg was not a human being.... didn't you. But, you had to resort to this twisted, specious sophistry. Does anyone say a fertilized chicken egg is not a chicken?

or you are actually making an argument that in support of the pro life movement indicating that virtually no pro life person is a right wing extremist.
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Of course! A fertilized egg, a human egg, is not a human being. Unless of course a fertilized chicken egg is a chicken!!!:D

All "pro-life" -- whatever that means --people are absurd unless they distinguish between a fertilized egg and a human being that could have life beyond its mother's womb. That is the point. You do not have a plant at the time a seed is formed, though it took a mother and a father plant to make that seed, and you do not have a human being at the point a human egg is fertilized. That should be self-evident, but sadly it is not to millions of people who are feed garbage by their religious leaders.
 
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jem said:
you (either) desperately wanted to act like an fertilized egg was not a human being.... didn't you. But, you had to resort to this twisted, specious sophistry. Does anyone say a fertilized chicken egg is not a chicken?

or you are actually making an argument that in support of the pro life movement indicating that virtually no pro life person is a right wing extremist.
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That was too complex for me to process. But of course a fertilized human egg is not a human being any more than a fertilized chicken egg is a chicken. But today we actually have millions of people who call themselves human beings and think that a fertilized human egg is a human being. Why is that? It is quite obviously because some crackpot religious leader, like the Pope, has told them that a fertilized human egg is a human being. It is pretty much the same group of people that think that Mary became pregnant by shacking up with God, or by parthenogenesis, whichever came first. Either way, it is a pretty damn good miracle if you ask me.
 
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Suspect in Colorado attack called loner who left few clues
http://www.wral.com/gunman-in-custody-after-attack-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/15140666/

A man from North Carolina described as a loner who avoided eye contact opened fire at a Colorado Planned Parenthood clinic and killed three people, including a police officer, authorities and neighbors said.

Authorities weren't ready to discuss a possible motive Saturday after interviewing 57-year-old suspect Robert Lewis Dear, Colorado Springs Mayor John Suthers said.

However, people can make "inferences from where it took place," said Suthers, a former state attorney general who also suggested Dear's mental health was part of the investigation.

Those who knew Dear said he seemed to have few religious or political leanings.

"If you talked to him, nothing with him was very cognitive — topics all over place," said James Russell, who lives a few hundred feet from Dear in Black Mountain. A cross made of twigs hung Saturday on the wall of Dear's pale yellow shack.

Police say Dear entered the Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs and opened fire on Friday. The five-hour siege that followed included several gun battles with police as patients and staff members took cover under furniture and inside locked rooms.

By the time the shooter surrendered, three people were dead — including a police officer — and nine others were wounded.

It marked the latest mass shooting to stun the nation and prompted President Barack Obama to warn, "We can't let it become normal."

"If we're going to offer up our thoughts and prayers again, for God knows how many times, with a truly clean conscience — then we have to do something about the easy accessibility of weapons of war on our streets to people who have no business wielding them," the president said.

Planned Parenthood said all its staff members at the clinic were safe and that it did not know whether the organization was the target of the attack.

University of Colorado police officer Garrett Swasey, 44, a six-year veteran of the force, was killed during the siege. He was married and had a son and daughter, according to the website of his church, Hope Chapel in Colorado Springs.

No details were immediately available about the two civilians who died. Five other officers and four people were hospitalized in good condition. At least four of those victims were later released.

"Certainly it could have been much, much worse if it were not for the heroism of our police officers to corner the person in the building," Colorado Springs Fire Chief Chris Riley said.

Suthers praised the security staff on duty at the clinic and said they were helpful in working with police to monitor the gunman's whereabouts on surveillance video and advising on the building's layout.

Witnesses described a chaotic scene when the shooting first started just before noon.

Ozy Licano said he was in the parking lot of the two-story building and trying to escape in his car when the gunman looked at him.

"He came out, and we looked each other in the eye, and he started aiming, and then he started shooting," Licano said. "I saw two holes go right through my windshield as I was trying to quickly back up and he just kept shooting and I started bleeding."

Licano drove away and took refuge at a nearby grocery store.

"He was aiming for my head," Licano said of the gunman. "It's just weird to stare in the face of someone like that. And he didn't win."

Inside the clinic, Jennifer Motolinia ducked under a table and called her brother, Joan, to leave him final instructions for the care of her three children in case the gunman found her.

Joan Motolinia said he could hear gunshots in the background as his sister spoke. "She was telling me to take care of her babies because she could get killed," he said.

For others, the first sign that something was wrong came when police appeared and ushered people to the second floor. Planned Parenthood employee Cynthia Garcia told her mother, Tina Garcia, that the officers wouldn't say why they were gathering everybody together. Then she heard the gunshots.

Her daughter and the others were holed up for hours while the standoff raged, Tina Garcia said.

Some people managed to escape the building and flee to a nearby bank. An armored vehicle was seen taking evacuees away from the clinic to ambulances waiting nearby.

For hours, police had no communication with the shooter other than hearing his intermittent gunfire from inside the Colorado Springs clinic. Officers eventually moved in, shouted at the gunman and persuaded him to surrender, police said.

About five hours after the attack started, authorities led away a man wearing a white T-shirt.

With the immediate threat over, authorities swept the building and turned their attention to inspecting unspecified items the gunman left outside the building or carried inside in bags. They were concerned that he had planted improvised explosive devices meant to cause even more destruction.

Police Lt. Catherine Buckley said Saturday the items were no longer a threat. She declined to elaborate.

Dear's cabin is a half-mile up a curvy dirt road about 15 miles west of Asheville, North Carolina. He also had a trailer in the nearby town of Swannanoa.

Other neighbors knew Dear but didn't want to give their names because they said they were fearful he might retaliate.

Russell and others said the only companion they saw with Dear was a mangy dog, who looked to be in such bad shape they called animal control because they worried he was beating it.
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It is possible that all religions of Middle Eastern origin still practiced today were the work of either the mentally ill or charlatans-- actually I would say it is a certainty. Probably Moses was a believable lunatic -- easier to get by with it in those ancient times -- Paul was clearly an opportunist, out to promote himself. Up until Paul got involved, what would become the Christian religion was just an offshoot of the Jewish religion -- a Jewish sect started by the Rabbi known today as Jesus. Paul took the ball away from Jesus's brother, James, and ran with it. Subsequently all of the crap in the new testament was produced. Paul was more or less a modern day Jimmy Swaggart (JSM.ORG) who was smart enough not to get caught. And Joseph Smith, very likely insane, or else he planned a hoax and the whole thing just got away from him. Mohammad was a ruthless tyrant and killer, and it worked for him. And of course there are still fast talking hucksters and the insane attempting to start their own religions today. With the U.S. tax treatment of religious organizations, who can blame them for wanting to get something going. It seems to be a pretty lucrative business. Check out that Osteen character from Texas or Oklahoma --it has to be one or the other, right? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Osteen)
 
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