Ridin' with Biden

[wrbtrader]

You're missing the point. The argument I made was that Biden could've prevented the rise in antisemitism at home by cutting off Israel's aid and using diplomatic leverage, not that it would've stopped the onslaught (which it would've; more below). The rise in antisemitism has a lot to do with people in support of Palestine being libeled and slandered as antisemites, being blacklisted, fired, doxxed, and having their freedom of speech curbed (anti-BDS legislation) in the name of a foreign power. Seeing millions dumped by pro-Israel lobby groups into the media to run hit pieces on democratically elected representatives critical of Israel while insurrectionists are elevated.

https://archive.is/lUyeB
https://www.nytimes.com/1982/08/13/...tacks-in-a-blunt-telephone-call-to-begin.html
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2...fraid-to-use-leverage-to-hold-israel-to-task/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-lonely-little-george-h-w-bush-changed-the-us-israel-relationship/
https://archive.ph/4dwwt

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/30...-as-tough-on-israel-as-republican-presidents/

Yes, I did miss your point.

I think Biden could’ve done a better job in minimizing antisemitism but so could Congress itself considering we’re sending a lot money and aid although not close to what we are doing for Ukraine.

There is a lot of hate on both sides, lots of military battles, lots of terrorism over there…I dont think Biden or Congress could have done anything more to minimize the hate in America.

At the same time, the Jewish groups and Palestinian groups in the USA should have done much more than Biden to minimize the hateful rhetoric instead of depending on politicians to do it for them…finding that common ground for both sides.

wrbtrader

 

[Cuddles]

Yes, I did miss your point.

I think Biden could’ve done a better job in minimizing antisemitism but so could Congress itself considering we’re sending a lot money and aid although not close to what we are doing for Ukraine.

There is a lot of hate on both sides, lots of military battles, lots of terrorism over there…I dont think Biden or Congress could have done anything more to minimize the hate in America.

At the same time, the Jewish groups and Palestinian groups in the USA should have done much more than Biden to minimize the hateful rhetoric instead of depending on politicians to do it for them…finding that common ground for both sides.

wrbtrader

Congress Dems by and large decided to tie the aid bills together, Dems at large take money from AIPAC and support sending them money by a large margin.

Can pro-Palestine advocates do better? Sure, but you've got congress (w/wide dem support) validating bullshit narratives of what it means to be an antisemite and you've got a pervasive ideology amongst the Jewish diaspora that they ought to support a segregationist nationalist movement (zionism). I'm sorry, but this time, hurt feelings spurred by misguided notions of what antisemitism is (not to downplay actual rise in antisemitism) should take a backseat to the massacre over there.

So again, I don't see how you can expect the electorate, who see the conflict drag on unnecessarily, and see Israel's hand in our domestic affairs are more responsible than the guy(s) stoking the contemporaneous root cause. I certainly gave MAGA voters shit, but I pointed at Trump's rhetoric first before pointing fingers at them.

 

[wrbtrader]

Congress Dems by and large decided to tie the aid bills together, Dems at large take money from AIPAC and support sending them money by a large margin.

Can pro-Palestine advocates do better? Sure, but you've got congress (w/wide dem support) validating bullshit narratives of what it means to be an antisemite and you've got a pervasive ideology amongst the Jewish diaspora that they ought to support a segregationist nationalist movement (zionism). I'm sorry, but this time, hurt feelings spurred by misguided notions of what antisemitism is (not to downplay actual rise in antisemitism) should take a backseat to the massacre over there.

So again, I don't see how you can expect the electorate, who see the conflict drag on unnecessarily, and see Israel's hand in our domestic affairs are more responsible than the guy(s) stoking the contemporaneous root cause. I certainly gave MAGA voters shit, but I pointed at Trump's rhetoric first before pointing fingers at them.

I've never understood one aspect of our Congress is when they tie bills together that are not related.

For example, they tied the U.S. southern border security issue with Ukraine's financial support. In another example, one person named Senator Tuberville held up a bill that tied military promotions to the Pentagon's abortion policy.

Sen. Tommy Tuberville is waging an unprecedented campaign to try to change Pentagon abortion policy by holding up hundreds of military nominations and promotions, forcing less experienced leaders into top jobs, and raising concerns at the Pentagon about military readiness.​

It was probably explained to me way back in high school during the required U.S. Constitution class.

wrbtrader

 

[Cuddles]

I've never understood one aspect of our Congress is when they tie bills together that are not related.

For example, they tied the U.S. southern border security issue with Ukraine's financial support. In another example, one person named Senator Tuberville held up a bill that tied military promotions to the Pentagon's abortion policy.

Sen. Tommy Tuberville is waging an unprecedented campaign to try to change Pentagon abortion policy by holding up hundreds of military nominations and promotions, forcing less experienced leaders into top jobs, and raising concerns at the Pentagon about military readiness.​

It was probably explained to me way back in high school during the required U.S. Constitution class.

wrbtrader

that's simple really. You've got partisan interests (political power), you've got special interests (lobbyists/industry/foreign power) and you've got the people's interest.

If you have a populist bill with wide support that one of the other two interest groups wants dead, you attach a poison pill provision in the bill that forces supporters not to vote for it. It's simply a leverage play.

 

[wrbtrader]

In Brazil, Blinken makes rare comments on U.S. politics

By John Hudson
National security reporter focusing on the State Department and diplomacy.

BRASÍLIA — Secretary of State Antony Blinken made a rare comment on U.S. politics Wednesday, telling Brazil’s president that the polarization in American society means that the next election will be determined by a vanishingly small number of undecided voters.

“What’s interesting,” Blinken told Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, “because things are so polarized, people have already made up their minds.

“Out of our 50 states, there are only six or seven that are really in competition. So you’ll see almost the entire campaign is likely to focus on six or seven states.”

Among those, Blinken specifically mentioned Michigan, a state that has come under intense focus given the number of Arab American voters who have expressed opposition to the Biden administration’s strong backing of Israel in its deadly war in Gaza.​

“There are fewer and fewer undecided voters,” Blinken said. “There’s a battle for a very thin segment of the electorate.”

Blinken made the remarks to Lula in Brasilia’s presidential palace after the socialist leader remarked that the U.S. elections were in November.

Lula, who has called for world leaders to support a cease-fire in Gaza, became embroiled in a tiff with Israel this week, comparing the slaughter of Palestinians in Gaza to the genocide of Jews during World War II, comments that prompted Israeli officials to say he was no longer welcome in Israel. Lula is hosting a gathering of top diplomats from the world’s biggest economies at the G-20 this week in Rio de Janeiro.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/02/21/live-2024-election-campaign/

wrbtrader

 

[Cuddles]

 

[Atlantic]

these criminal morons deserve death row for treason.

nothing less.

how much $$$ did every single one of them get directly from moscow?

 

[themickey]

If you want to start digging for dirt on russian infiltration, begin with right wing zionist infiltration.

 

[Cuddles]

If you want to start digging for dirt on russian infiltration, begin with right wing zionist infiltration.

no need to stereotype, Israel will serve Israel, and historically has watched out for American interests because it pays to do so. They were after all a bulwark against the Soviets (for better or for worse).

Using "zionist" is preferable to "jew" in the Palestine debate, but outside that context it loses a lot of meaning because antisemites use it as a slur for "jew". Remember there's a broad self-id "spectrum" to the word (israel's right to exist jews vs wipe all the pali jews). I keep harping on this because making Aussie/American/etc.. jews feel welcome in their home countries by stamping out antisemitism is how you avoid giving Israel any leverage (migrating there) over diaspora Jews.

 

[themickey]

My beef is actually against the jewish religion, not the people or the region.
It has too much influence, makes people stupid, hypocritical, creates cliques, too many dumb sheeple bow down to christianity which is an offshoot of jewish religion.