Richard Clarke - Against All Enemies

Quote from Turok:

Ahhh...the denial stage. Nothing a good 12 step program won't help, but you have to really want to get better.

JB
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Turok, is it really hard for you to believe that someone can have a set of beliefs without needing affirmation of those beliefs. Do you need someone to affirm your beliefs?
 
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Max:
>It's possible that because he was demoted, he's
>got an axe to grind.

Of course it's possible. EVERYONE is Washington has an axe to grind. Your logic can work equally well on many of the accusations against Kerry. Treat both sides with equal skepticism and I'll call you fair.

>Why wait this long to reveal it?

To sell a book silly. So what? The accusations still must be examined and weighed by all on their own merit.

>The things he alleges don't make sense.

They make perfect sense to me. Right or wrong (and I say mostly right) Bush has had a hard on for Iraq from the start. He WANTED Saddam to be responsible cause it would have been a nice, neat and convenient way to rid the world of a guy the world needed rid of.

>Would Bush start an open campaign to make Iraq
>the culprit after hours of flying around in Air Force One?

>I think all that would have been done before the return
>to the White House.

You'll have to explain this timing problem you're having with the events. I don't follow your complaint.

JB

PS. I'm undecided about Clark's accusations, but his story had more credibility to me than the attack dogs that the White House has been rolling out in defense.
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C'mon, Clarke left the administration only a few months after he failed to receive an upper level job at the just formed Homeland Security; now, in the 60 Minutes interview, he overly criticizes that agency for being ineffective . "Ineffective" without the great Richard Clarke, I would imagine.
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Can we get back to this Clark guy? I'm not going to point out the obvious fact that the way for a supposed Republican, particualrly a conservative or national security type, to get on all the talk shows and receive fawning attention for his book, is to trash the President. Happened with O'Neill, happened with that Joe Wilson blowhard, happening with this guy.
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The big deal is that Bush and his self styled band of 'hard liners' came in with the plan already in place to invade Iraq. They were just looking for the opportunity.

A LOT of people want to know why this was so fucking important and how it has affected the REAL war on terrorism we should be waging.

This administration is loony.

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Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Can we get back to this Clark guy? I'm not going to point out the obvious fact that the way for a supposed Republican, particualrly a conservative or national security type, to get on all the talk shows and receive fawning attention for his book, is to trash the President. Happened with O'Neill, happened with that Joe Wilson blowhard, happening with this guy.

But I haven't really followed this. So is his big revelation that Bush wanted to know if Saddam was involved in 9/11? I guess I don't quite see why that was something incredibly dumb or evil or however Clark is painting it. If you were in Bush's shoes, wouldn't that be the first thing you'd want to know too?

Ok, I guess this Clark surmised that Bush wanted the answer to be "yes." Well, we have only his word for that, apparently he admits that his conclusion was based not on what Bush said but the way he said it, and so what if he did want to go after Saddam? He didn't tell them to invent evidence. He asked for the intell.

Seems to me to be very little substance here, not that the liberal media will let that deter them from their role as Kerry cheerleaders.
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Quote from Maverick74:

Turok, is it really hard for you to believe that someone can have a set of beliefs without needing affirmation of those beliefs. Do you need someone to affirm your beliefs?
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Dude, how can you even talk with that many holes in your cheek? It's amazing!

JB
 
What I see from the White House is a lot of effort to spin this Clarke thing their way.

What ever happened to a simple denial, and moving along.

The more effort I see expended to silence "lies" the more it looks to me as if they may be true.

 
Quote from Turok:

Dude, how can you even talk with that many holes in your cheek? It's amazing!

JB
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Thanks for answering my question. Once again you dodge the question. Is that because you can't answer it? Hmm, interesting.
 
Quote from Maverick74:

Waggie I'm going to take a wild crazy stab here. You are a single guy here right? Not married? Have you ever been married? Here is why I ask. If you think Condoleezza Rice is a moron, then there is no woman out there for you. Here is her bio:

Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded honorary doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, the University of Notre Dame in 1995, the Mississippi College School of Law in 2003, and the University of Louisville in 2004. She resides in Washington, D.C.

In June 1999, she completed a six year tenure as Stanford University's Provost, during which she was the institution's chief budget and academic officer. As Provost she was responsible for a $1.5 billion annual budget and the academic program involving 1,400 faculty members and 14,000 students.

As professor of political science, Dr. Rice has been on the Stanford faculty since 1981 and has won two of the highest teaching honors -- the 1984 Walter J. Gores Award for Excellence in Teaching and the 1993 School of Humanities and Sciences Dean's Award for Distinguished Teaching.

She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco.

Waggie, what is it you do for a living again? I forgot. I know it was something really important and really smart. I forgot what it was.
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Yeah....................But can she suck the chrome off a trailer hitch and kick back with a Heineken? Cuz if not..................all those degrees are of no use to me............................LOL
 
Quote from Maverick74:

Ahhh Waggie, another difference between you and me. I don't believe anything I read or hear. Doesn't matter if it's from the right or left. Most of what you read is BS, so I wouldn't take Clarke or Rice's rhetoric as fact. Since you and I don't know what fact is. If you believe everything you read Waggie, I have some really nice swamp land to sell you in Florida, you can READ all about it in the brochure.

My response to you was in calling Rice a moron. You may not like her, and that's fine, but a moron she is not. She is smarter then 99% of the women in this country and far more driven and successful. If she is moron Waggie, I can assure you, there isn't a woman in the liberal Bay area for you to meet. You might have to fly out here to Chicago to meet a woman. Let me know when you come out. :cool:
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Mav.................... r u bangin Miss Rice????????..............LOL
 
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