Reversion To the Mean (RTM) Intraday Strategies

Quote from IronFist:
So it looks in that one pic like you're entering a BBand trade expecting it to revert to the mean based on the slope of the BBandwith indicator changing to "down."
I'm looking at a chart of the ES with 20,2 as the settings for each indicator and it seems like it works well sometimes, but also gives lots of false (or very late) signals.
I'll post a pic if you want.
Is there more to that strategy than I ascertained from the pic you posted, Tums?

a pix with arrows and annotation always helps to illustrate a point.

Why does a method (any method) works some times, but not all the time?

What is your thoughts?
 
Quote from Tums:

Why does a method (any method) works some times, but not all the time?

What is your thoughts?

Either:

1. The method shown is incomplete (or the method is complete but the entire thing was not presented)

2. But most people will say "one must understand price action and indicators are just a guide"

:D

Oh, or it could be that the person showing the method is cherry picking instances where it worked (not saying that's what you did at all, but that happens ALL THE TIME in the trading world, especially when people are selling $5000 indicators).
 
Quote from IronFist:
Either:
1. The method shown is incomplete (or the method is complete but the entire thing was not presented)
nothing is ever complete... we will be 6 feet under when things are complete.

2. But most people will say "one must understand price action and indicators are just a guide"
Let the purist be purist... we are all entitled to our own oblivious bliss.

Oh, or it could be that the person showing the method is cherry picking instances where it worked (not saying that's what you did at all, but that happens ALL THE TIME in the trading world, especially when people are selling $5000 indicators).

The keyword I was looking for is Context.

When a method works sometimes... but does not work in another time, that's because the market has changed its context.

Let's make an overly simplified example.

Strategy A: Buy and Hold.
Instruction: Buy a stock and hold it for X months/years.

Many people have made lots of money with this method.

But we all know it works some of the time... but not all the time.

Why did it not work last year?

--> the context has changed.

This method only works in a Bull Market.

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Let's make another overly simplified example.

Strategy B: Enter on Breakout
Instruction: Buy if price breaks previous bar's High. Sell if price breaks previous bar's Low

We have all tried this strategy.

We all know that it works... some of the time. LOL

Well... what is the context we are looking for?

---> Trendy Market

This strategy will fall flat on its face in a choppy market.

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RTM is no different...

It works in certain context.

We need to be sensitive to that context.



... more later.
 
How'd you get that horizontal rule? Do hr tags work on this forum?

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Awesome!!

Tums, I understand. So we need to define the context in which this (or any method) works.
 
Quote from IronFist:
Awesome!!
Tums, I understand. So we need to define the context in which this (or any method) works.

Let's go back to that chart I posted.

first, cover up the indicator on bottom... and look at the chart.

What do you see?

What is the market telling us?


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The market beams out its signal to us every tick.
If we can interpret its signal, we will understand its intention. (i.e. next move)
 
Quote from Tums:

Let's go back to that chart I posted.

first, cover up the indicator on bottom... and look at the chart.

What do you see?

What is the market telling us?

Looks like LL, LH, HL.

Is it safe to assume that after the HL a reversion to mean may be probable? The presence of the LH and HL signal the downtrend may be ending.

(that's what i'd guess based on my beginner knowledge of PA)
 
Quote from Trend Fader:

I hear a lot of trades talk about reversion to the mean daytrading... anyone care to share some ideas and general strategies that professional traders use??

thanks


a.k.a. "trading counter-trend". It works great until you hit a big trend day, then this method gets killed :p
 
Quote from slapshot:
a.k.a. "trading counter-trend". It works great until you hit a big trend day, then this method gets killed :p

That's because the market context has changed, but you were ignorant of its happening
... and you continue to use a fading method for a trending market.

Don't worry, don't get upset, you are not alone. It happened to a lot of people.
After you got burnt a few times, there are 2 things you can do:

1. step back to learn why that happened to you

2. you became so bitter about the experience that you make it a life long crusade to tell everybody not to do it.
 
Quote from Tums:

That's because the market context has changed, but you were ignorant of its happening
... and you continue to use a fading method for a trending market.

Don't worry, don't get upset, you are not alone. It happened to a lot of people.
After you got burnt a few times, there are 2 things you can do:

1. step back to learn why that happened to you

2. you became so bitter about the experience that you make it a life long crusade to tell everybody not to do it.


WTF are you even talking about?????????????

Did I say that I trade that way or not????

1) do you disagree that most mean reversion trading is counter-trend?

2) do you disagree that on the occasions that many people lose trying to trade back to the mean is typically when they have failed to recognize that the trend was continuing?

Why would you make statements that I am ignorant or bitter of anything that we have not even discussed? Did I say that I specifically have been burned?????

As a Moderator, you really should think through what you have just read before you type. And not put words in people's mouths as you do so.
 
Quote from slapshot:
...you really should think through what you have just read before you type. And not put words in people's mouths as you do so.
The same to you.
 
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