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Quote from KBaines:

I am always a skeptic when I hear of someone claiming to average $110,000 per year as a poker player. Even more so when they give that line of work up and become a medic and wanting to trade for a living.

For now you can test that concept if you want. Try paying the government 40% to click a mouse for 7 years, if you can last that long. Then try being a combat medic, with maybe even a little SF action. You might see things a little differently. Then see if you want to go back to clicking mice and staring at large monitors for long hours, and maybe even some charts too.
(I'm giving you some hints here to help you correct your comprehension errors. I couldn't help myself.)
 
This is a graph of noise/vs ATR for the last 5 years of weekly data on AUD/USD. Stop losses need to be just large enough to allow for expected noise and if noise is relatively the same and range increases it should increase our profitability.
 

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For now you can test that concept if you want. Try paying the government 40% to click a mouse for 7 years, if you can last that long. Then try being a combat medic, with maybe even a little SF action. You might see things a little differently. Then see if you want to go back to clicking mice and staring at large monitors for long hours, and maybe even some charts too.
(I'm giving you some hints here to help you correct your comprehension errors. I couldn't help myself.)

Most people can think past anything outside of their own circumstances and reality so I wouldn't bother lol.

How are those those noise band indi's working out. I'm not an "elite member" so I don't have access to any webinars and stuff. Are they plotted on top of Opening ranges or are they fixed to the open price?

If they are fixed to the open price, the only thing I would have a concern with is how fast they adjust to volatility. You will have those days that are super volatile, the Opening range size would adjust appropriately and you would be ok! If they are plotted on top of the OR, they def seem appropriate!
 
They are drawn off the open. I've plotted a bunch of A levels on top of noise bands and they are so close I really doubt it matters. I think of them more as A levels that I know how to calculate and can write a formula for than anything else. Regarding volatility, I've noticed days when the opening bar takes out the noise level can lead to some of the best trend days.

I'm figuring out some stat software and then I'm going to test for correlation between pivot range size and that days range. That could be interesting.
 
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They are drawn off the open. I've plotted a bunch of A levels on top of noise bands and they are so close I really doubt it matters. I think of them more as A levels that I know how to calculate and can write a formula for than anything else. Regarding volatility, I've noticed days when the opening bar takes out the noise level can lead to some of the best trend days.

I'm figuring out some stat software and then I'm going to test for correlation between pivot range size and that days range. That could be interesting.

Nice, ya i feel you on the a values. It is hard to know exactly why they are the numbers they are. They are surely backtested for each individual market by fishers team and applied. I've found a nice set of ranges and levels for stocks on an intraday basis. Here's a trade in POT today. I'm looking at these levels everyday and you wouldn't believe how often they mark the low of the day or in this case the for next two hours. Nice trade here risked about 15 cents to make 30. Of course you must only fade under certain conditions and not fight the trend. All pretty mechanical and more of a grey-box approach than anything.

Good to know that this noise level indicator is similar...at least I can look at it and see how the a levels may be calculated.
 

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I'd be very interested in knowing the stats between wide pivots and range days. I don't have the ability to test something like that, need to learn eventually!

With the wide pivot range=wide range. The "range" added to the pivot is nothing more than the high+low/2. So you are in essence just looking at the prior days range. Toby Crabel has done some work on narrow range days, but it is very simple and I haven't found alot of use for it. I'd be much more interested in know what Size pivot range would be optimal for range expansion. Comparing a sample of pivot ranges to a rolling ATR, and seeing what size pivot as a percentage of ATR works best!

I see a correlation with narrow range days and trend days, but the NR4, NR7 distinctions miss out on alot of the best trend days!

Good ideas, I look forward to seeing some your work!
 
Well AUD/USD is breaking down already for the month. If it gives a good price action entry on the daily chart I will initiate a short position. The breakdown only gives a bias.

I'm not going to post trade size because it doesn't matter. (it is small though lol). Too many people on this site focus on $$ figures instead of methodology. It is a sad fact that Neke's journals are some of the most popular ones on this site. All he does is post some big numbers. There is absolutely nothing to learn from that. Do yourself a favor and focus on technique, not $$.

My goal right now is to learn a routine and methodology that I can scale up as my income and account size increase. My goal is definitely not to make money. Remember my aim here is to beat normal investment returns with a minimal amount of time involved. IE Daily charts only.

I think starting with a daily charts only approach is a good idea for most people. Once that timeframe is mastered one could consider moving to 4 hour charts or something. Too many people jump straight to daytrading. I did and it was a bad way to go.
 
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This title is an invitation for many of you. I returned to reality about 3 years ago and life is much better here.

The first thing you have to do is accept that you are a part of the bell curve. For trading, especially daytrading, that bell curve is 90-98% losers depending on who you get your statistics from. You, no matter how smart you think you are, probably fall in the with the bulk of the curve that will end up being a losing trader.

My background: 7 years as a full time online poker player making about 110k a year. Near the end of that I spent about 2 years seriously attempting to daytrade, mostly stocks and some emini futures. I studied a ton, was very dilligent, and the last 6 months was making consistant profit as a stock daytrader.

That was when I realized that I needed 100k minimum plus living expenses to make it worthwhile.

The fact is that if you can make 40% a year you are among the best in the business. People dispute this but the people that disupute this are not running hedge funds. They are usually running a prop group or something else in the industry. They are selling shovels instead of mining, although some of them may mine on the side. They came to the same realization I did a while back and decided to get on the business side of things instead of switching careers altogether like I did. If you make 40% a year you will be in the poor house after paying taxes unless you live with your parents.

Here is the checklist for all you would-be pros.

1. 100k bare minimum and that is if you have a huge edge where you can at least double your money every year.
2. A REAL edge. It is amazing when you realize that most people don't even know if they have an edge or not when they decide to go live with money they can't really afford to lose.
3. The ability to devote the working day to trading, and still be able to pay your bills if you have a rough stretch. They will come.

I'm sure I'll talk more about this as my journal develops. Back to 3 years ago, I decided to get completely out of the gambling world for a while and get a real career going. So i joined the army. I'm currently a medic, and near the beginning of the pipeline to become a special forces soldier. I've been through SFAS (2 weeks in hell was the overdramatization of this phase) and still have most of the training ahead of me. I share this because for me this is a lifelong dream that my obsession with trading and poker kept me from pursuing for years. Maybe it will inspire you to go after something you dream of instead of staring at charts for endless hours.

You are probably wondering why I am starting a journal if I think trading is a time drain and a waste of a young persons energy. Well I still like charts lol. And I need to invest some money. So this journal will be about trading around a busy working schedule. My trading goals are as follows:

(In order of importance)

1. A minimal amount of time.
2. 10% or greater return a year.

My plan so far is to trade the AUD/USD. I like how this moves and the market opens at 1900 my time so I can make my decisions and act at a pleasant hour. I am going to mostly be entering positions near the beginning of the week and letting them run for a day or two.

I am trading a volatility breakout style based on ACD. I'll get into it more later.

My edge comes primarily from the fact that I don't need to trade. I will take only A+ setups and sit out the market when things don't look ideal.

I hope this journal will show that career + casual trading > full time trading for the 98% that will not be wildly succesful. The power of compound interest is great, especially for those that can make regular contributions to the account from a profitable and fullfilling career not related to trading. Those that trade full time will experience the opposite of compound interest as they are forced to continually withdraw to pay bills even through drawdowns. This can put one in a position where it will take years to return to all time equity highs. I have had this experience several times at poker.

This lifestyle is a trap. Don't fall into it. Think about what you're actually doing -- shedding another innocent trader's blood in order to line your trading account. Stop this evil immediately.
 
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