respect for freedom in jolly old england

Quote from whitster:

blair is a far left quasi socialist

great guy, but he is the LABOR PARTY for pete's sake

get real
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LOL!

Blair is a Fascist through and through. He worships the Devil himself - Bush!

The Labor party has historically been a left wing party leaning towards socialism, but Blair turned them around to the far right where rights of the individual are sacrificed for the ends of the few in power.

He calls them New Labor.

The UK political landscape is as follows:

New Labor - far right wing
Conservative - right wing
Liberal Democrats - in the middle, slightly left wing.

The interesting thing about politics, is that if you look at far right wing policies (true fascists like Nazis), and those of the far left (Communism), the policies and ideology are pretty similar. It is not two ends of a stick, but a loop that meets at the top!
 
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Far left ? You have got to be joking. And what is a 'quasi socialist' anyway ? Where do you get this stuff from. Blair is hardly any different from some of the neocon nut cases in Washington in terms of foreign policy and has just the same authoritarian inclinations in domestic policy. He differs on global warming, but that's about it.
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I'd say Blair is worse. He wants to introduce personal ID cards for everyone. Not even Bush would dare demand this.

Imagine it - every Brit having to carry a card with name, address, religin etc on it!

Reminds me of Nazi Germany - JUDA!

Looks like the Muslims are off for a taste of Belsen Blair style!
 
"you are moaning because there is a ban on any religious groups including Christians and other secular groups, from advertising in a library ultimately run by politicians, left right or whatever wing .

But you want me to "get real" when Blair, a self proclaimed Christian who brought his God into the politics of Government , then starts to dismantle the mother of Parliamentary Democracy?

You are bothered about adverts in a library?
But you are not bothered about Blair? Why? Because he is a "great guy" Why? Because he is a Christian breaking down democr"

i am "moaning" because religious groups are being banned from a public forum... in the US that would be unconstitional. in england, that's a-ok. that's bad. banning ANY group because of their belief system, from posting in a public forum goes against basic principles of freedom. not the england respects those, vis a vis speech , of course.
 
"Far left ? You have got to be joking. And what is a 'quasi socialist' anyway ? Where do you get this stuff from. Blair is hardly any different from some of the neocon nut cases in Washington in terms of foreign policy and has just the same authoritarian inclinations in domestic policy. He differs on global warming, but that's about it."

I suggest you review the British Labour Party platform. I quote it below. IT ADMITS THAT IT IS A SOCIALIST PARTY.

here's a QUOTE from the labour party website (capitalization emphasis mine)...

i'd like an apology from you, since you are clearly wrong about the socialist aspects of the labour party. I will stand by to see if you have the intellectual honesty. Blair is labour party. the below LISTED CLAUSE 4 of the LABOUR PARTY CONSTITUTION STATES THAT IT IS A DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST PARTY
http://www.labour.org.uk/aboutlabour


"The Labour Party is a democratic SOCIALIST party. It believes that by the strength of our common endeavour we achieve more than we achieve alone, so as to create for each of us the means to realise our true potential and for all of us a community in which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many, not the few. Where the rights we enjoy reflect the duties we owe. And where we live together, freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect.’

(i'll stand by for your apology/admission) - evidence, it's what's for breakfast...

And i realize that it is a constant canard of the left to associate support of the war with being a neocon, but TONS who support the war are not neocons.

for pete's sake, Christopher Hitchens is even farther left than Blair, and he certainly supports it.

Blair is hawkish. He's a hawkish leftist. those are NOT mutually exclusive terms

if you deny this, then we can discuss the Labour Party Platform, but it is clearly quasi-socialist.
 
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LOL!

Blair is a Fascist through and through. He worships the Devil himself - Bush!

The Labor party has historically been a left wing party leaning towards socialism, but Blair turned them around to the far right where rights of the individual are sacrificed for the ends of the few in power.

He calls them New Labor.

The UK political landscape is as follows:

New Labor - far right wing
Conservative - right wing
Liberal Democrats - in the middle, slightly left wing.

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Re; Labor & freedom in the news

Interesting political science thread;
but dont believe anyone can pigeonhole someone always because of a political party.

Look on Republican Senator Spector making a left wing spectacle calling big oil price gouging, with gov gouging consumer with high gas taxes;
look @ Democrat Zell Miller , a fine conservative Christian track record.


Actually think Tony Blair may turn out fine , since the enemies of Bush dont like him/ call him a devil;
perhaps Tony Blair is sincere by attending a Bible believing Black pastor led church in London.
No offence intended.

In all labor there is profit-Solomon,trader king
Proverbs 14;23 Old King James, & New King James Version:cool:
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i note the lack of intellectual honesty

i showed ample evidence of the socialist nature of the labor party

the previous poster was in error, claiming i was wrong to point out the socialist nature of the labour party.

i would expect some intellectual honesty.

guess that's too much to ask on the internet

i provided evidence

you provide rhetoric

i quote the labour party constitution

you provide rhetoric
 
Quote from whitster:



here's a QUOTE from the labour party website (capitalization emphasis mine)...

i'd like an apology from you, since you are clearly wrong about the socialist aspects of the labour party. I will stand by to see if you have the intellectual honesty. Blair is labour party. the below LISTED CLAUSE 4 of the LABOUR PARTY CONSTITUTION STATES THAT IT IS A DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST PARTY
http://www.labour.org.uk/aboutlabour


"The Labour Party is a democratic SOCIALIST party. It believes that by the strength of our common endeavour we achieve more than we achieve alone, so as to create for each of us the means to realise our true potential and for all of us a community in which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many, not the few. Where the rights we enjoy reflect the duties we owe. And where we live together, freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect.’

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What politicians say and what they do are often two very different things!
 
Quote from whitster:
i am "moaning" because religious groups are being banned from a public forum... in the US that would be unconstitional. in england, that's a-ok. that's bad. banning ANY group because of their belief system, from posting in a public forum goes against basic principles of freedom. not the england respects those, vis a vis speech , of course.
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Religious prejudice appears to be conflicting with your reading skills. There is no ban because of their belief system. It is made clear in the link. You may notice the ban on any Commercial adverts is not because of their belif system either..

Since when has a politician or a political party's constitution been reliable or dependable as being close to reality? Even I know the New Labor party has swung so far to the right it is unrecognizable to its constitution or to the old Labor Party. which Blair transformed.
 
------i said***: here's a QUOTE from the labour party website (capitalization emphasis mine)...

i'd like an apology from you, since you are clearly wrong about the socialist aspects of the labour party. I will stand by to see if you have the intellectual honesty. Blair is labour party. the below LISTED CLAUSE 4 of the LABOUR PARTY CONSTITUTION STATES THAT IT IS A DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST PARTY
http://www.labour.org.uk/aboutlabour


"The Labour Party is a democratic SOCIALIST party. It believes that by the strength of our common endeavour we achieve more than we achieve alone, so as to create for each of us the means to realise our true potential and for all of us a community in which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many, not the few. Where the rights we enjoy reflect the duties we owe. And where we live together, freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect.’

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YOU SAID---:What politicians say and what they do are often two very different things!

i now say: way to evade the issue and continue the tradition of intellectual dishonesty

if you deny that blair is a "quasi-socialist" as i say, then please provide evidence that he is not socialist

have you ever watched the british parliament on c-span and bbc? do you have ANY idea what blair's platform and record is as prime minister? or is your only knowledge of blair, the fact that he happens to be exceptionally hawkis

i will stand by and see if you can FINALLY provide some intellectual honesty

btw, a little lesson for you. socialism is an economical aspect of politics. it has VERY little to do with whether one supports war X or not

some left wingers (socialists and others) are very supportive of the war in iraq. blair comes to mind and hitchens is another

some right wingers are VERY against the war on terror: buchanan comes to mind, and WFBuckley has been quite critical as well

so stop exercising your dishonesty and evasion machine and just admit it. you didn't know that blair was a socialist (democratic socialist, to be specific)

it's nice to learn things. vs. playing internet ostrich and just ignoring inconvenient facts, such as you are doing

be an adult and enough with the silly games
 
Quote from whitster:
i am "moaning" because religious groups are being banned from a public forum... in the US that would be unconstitional. in england, that's a-ok. that's bad. banning ANY group because of their belief system, from posting in a public forum goes against basic principles of freedom. not the england respects those, vis a vis speech , of course.
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Religious prejudice appears to be conflicting with your reading skills. There is no ban because of their belief system. It is made clear in the link. You may notice the ban on any Commercial adverts is not because of their belif system either..

Since when has a politician or a political party's constitution been reliable or dependable as being close to reality? Even I know the New Labor party has swung so far to the right it is unrecognizable to its constitution or to the old Labor Party. which Blair transform


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you are lying, and i don't have "religious prejudice"

the ban IS because of their belief system.

i will quote the article. yet more dishonesty. why am i not surprised. the article makes clear that NON religious groups are free to advertise their theatrical events, and that the religious one was banned , and i quote) "to avoid offending other religious groups"

it's a classic example of stifling of free speech and religious expreission in the name of sensitivity.

it is disgusting. i suppose you do not support free speech. you certainly support lying on the internet though. that's a nifty way to exercise your free speech. article follows. it does not support your claim.



A Christian group has been forbidden from advertising its Easter passion play in a public library to avoid offending other religious groups.


Iranian members of the Methodist Church are furious over the council ban, which prevents them displaying posters.

The 100-strong group from Doncaster, South Yorkshire, has performed the play twice previously in its home town.

It will put on the open-air show in nearby Rotherham at lunchtime tomorrow and had hoped to advertise the event in the main library there.

But the local authority has told them that to do so would infringe a long-standing policy which does not allow religious groups to put posters up in its libraries and museums.

English-born Elizabeth Collins, 44, a Bible teacher with the group, said: "This is supposed to be a Christian country, we can't believe it.

"We go to other countries to promote democracy and free-thinking yet on our own doorstep we cannot even put up a poster about our Easter passion play.

"This is ludicrous and so petty. We have already taken religion out of our schools and now it is being taken out of public places as well."

Members of the group from Hexthorpe Methodist Church have separate Bible studies in Iranian but all attend English language church services every Sunday.

Miss Collins, who was formerly married to an Iranian and is planning to train to be a Methodist minister, said: "Rotherham council gave us permission to perform the play, but we're effectively not being allowed to publicise it.

"One of our members wanted to put up a poster about the play in the library but officials kept it for a few days then came back and said it could not be displayed because it might cause offence to other people.

"We can only imagine they mean other religions. The poster just has a cross on it with the date, time and place of the performance and says Iranian Christian Drama. What offence can that cause to anyone?"

The group had wanted people to see the poster alongside other educational and theatrical notices on display to help attract an audience.

Miss Collins added: "I was more than a little bit angry when I heard of the ban. I am dismayed to see the state of this nation.

"What has it come to when you cannot display a Christian poster for fear of upsetting somebody else in a Christian country?

"If I had gone to Iran with a poster under my arm and tried to place it in a library there I would probably have come out without a head on my shoulders."

Rotherham metropolitan borough council explained that its ban applied to all of the religious, political and commercial groups in the district.

A spokesman said: "We have had a policy in place for more than 20 years that religious groups are not allowed to display posters in our museums and libraries.

"It is nothing against the particular church or group. It is just a blanket ban. It is not the poster or the event which is causing us concern.

"We don't want to promote one religious group above another."
 
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