You are aware that the "WHATABURGER encounter turned out to be totally fabricated. Those people the Trumpers claimed to be illegal immigrants in the restaurant were not illegal immigrants.... they merely had brown skin which was close enough for Trumpers.
Republicans attempt to blame COVID on immigrants
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You are aware that the "WHATABURGER encounter turned out to be totally fabricated. Those people the Trumpers claimed to be illegal immigrants in the restaurant were not illegal immigrants.... they merely had brown skin which was close enough for Trumpers.
It is the logic that all of you have put forth... that no one healthy has died from it, that the at risk people should be locked down while everyone else gets to walk around with no masks, no social distancing, no vax and no restrictions.
Even though it has been posted numerous times of normal regular people dying from COVID OR spending time in the hospital or being sick at home for weeks with lingering effects. Polio did not kill you but it coudl ruin your life. The virus does not give a shit and several people I know who have had it still have lingering effects months later. Never saw that happen regularly with the Flu.
This is a serious virus that no one has taken seriously except to use as a political weapon on both sides. Trump and his team repeatedly treated it as a minor nuisance that will magically go away and Dems did not care until they saw a way to attack trump. Now you have karens crying at Walmart and Costco because they are required to wear masks and people refusing vax not because of medical or religious reasons but simply because red hat said not to or they believe some other fairy crap online.
dems blame un vaxxed red statesman and GOP blames migrants... both groups are fucktarded
Next month FDA is going to approve the vax and then what argument is out there for people to stop pretending they have a valid reason not to take it. Also vaxxed people sitting on top of each other in outdoor parties and concerts is just as fucktarded because it can stil spread .
Stopping the spread is how a virus dies and sinc the vax came out people are chucking their masks, social distancing and common sense out the window and wondering why there are spikes.
that is not my argument... at all....
Now that we see breakthroughs in the high risk... and we know they the very sick make variants... there is a unquantifiable massive risk in that out of the vaccinated high risk... will arise a killer variant...
There are so many potential issues with these vaccines... nobody can really handicap it...now that we know of breakthrough viruses in the high risk.
So its all guesswork.
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lets talk about what we do know so far...
Healthy people die unexpectedly from all sorts of things which are low risk including vaccines.
This is a very serious virus especially for the high risk... and it may get much more serious... now that we are seeing breakthrough viruses.
The younger, the healthier and the more you have good Vitamin D levels ... your risk of death and ICU admittance goes down dramatically. (those are statistical facts...
Our remedies need to be designed accordingly to be intelligent and useful to society as a whole.
Now that we see breakthroughs in the high risk... and we know they the very sick make variants... there is a unquantifiable massive risk in that out of the vaccinated high risk... will arise a killer variant...
There are so many potential issues with these vaccines... nobody can really handicap it...now that we know of breakthrough viruses in the high risk.
So its all guesswork.
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lets talk about what we do know so far...
Healthy people die unexpectedly from all sorts of things which are low risk including vaccines.
This is a very serious virus especially for the high risk... and it may get much more serious... now that we are seeing breakthrough viruses.
The younger, the healthier and the more you have good Vitamin D levels ... your risk of death and ICU admittance goes down dramatically. (those are statistical facts...
Our remedies need to be designed accordingly to be intelligent and useful to society as a whole.
How do you propose we identify all the young and healthy and those with good Vitamin D levels (not sure why that matters). should people wear armbands that say HEALTHY? Have many supposedly healthy people been in the hospital with COVID or even died? Should restaurants ask people to provide a card showing their Vitamin D levels before they enter without a mask or their medical records showing they are healthy? Who defines what is healthy because many people got it without obvious underlying conditions.
Isnt it easier to just ask everyone to practice social distancing, wear masks when in groups or public, get the vaccine if they don't have any medical allergies, follow simple protocols, etc? Makes more sense to have a healthy environment for all then to demand medical records of people to see who is healthy and not susceptible to horrible symptoms. My way makes more sense...
Why would I be proposing anything regarding identification?
I would be against almost all forms of govt mandated discrimination.
Let businesses figure out how they wish to proceed. People with vote with their dollars and it would change according to the risks as it should.
Vitamin D levels and severe covid are high correlated. We have posted multiple studies and CDC stats on that issue here. Fauci even mentioned. as far as I know... nobody serious argues with those stats.
I believe in data and science.
Social distancing makes sense.
There are no currently valid studies saying mask work outside the lab.
If you have them... and they include data which shows they worked after the massive second and third waves... I will be happy to change my stance. I go with the data.
It think its fundamental wrong to make low risk healthy people take a vaccine which has no long term data.. and which basically takes the risk and turns them into the low risk temporarily. If some people are high risk and refuse the vaccine... that is a risk I am willing to live with... because the high risk vaccinated are a very risky bunch to the long term views of where this goes now that we know they can spread.
My way of thinking believes high risk should be hihgly advised to shelter in place when a govt thinks about those advisories are needed. and let the low risk live. (because this what the dta shows... and if hospital get too crowded objectively.. then you have short term lockdown. ) De Prado explained it perfectly over year ago.
I would be against almost all forms of govt mandated discrimination.
Let businesses figure out how they wish to proceed. People with vote with their dollars and it would change according to the risks as it should.
Vitamin D levels and severe covid are high correlated. We have posted multiple studies and CDC stats on that issue here. Fauci even mentioned. as far as I know... nobody serious argues with those stats.
I believe in data and science.
Social distancing makes sense.
There are no currently valid studies saying mask work outside the lab.
If you have them... and they include data which shows they worked after the massive second and third waves... I will be happy to change my stance. I go with the data.
It think its fundamental wrong to make low risk healthy people take a vaccine which has no long term data.. and which basically takes the risk and turns them into the low risk temporarily. If some people are high risk and refuse the vaccine... that is a risk I am willing to live with... because the high risk vaccinated are a very risky bunch to the long term views of where this goes now that we know they can spread.
My way of thinking believes high risk should be hihgly advised to shelter in place when a govt thinks about those advisories are needed. and let the low risk live. (because this what the dta shows... and if hospital get too crowded objectively.. then you have short term lockdown. ) De Prado explained it perfectly over year ago.
if that is what you believe...
than you should be tailoring your discrimination to the high risk...
because that is who winds up in ICUs.
in history we never told the healthy to shelter in place on wide basis... before this moronic follow China craziness.
Why the hell we would do this now... when all the data we have so far shows that for the low risk this is a flu.
than you should be tailoring your discrimination to the high risk...
because that is who winds up in ICUs.
in history we never told the healthy to shelter in place on wide basis... before this moronic follow China craziness.
Why the hell we would do this now... when all the data we have so far shows that for the low risk this is a flu.
We know you are very bad at math... but let's walk through it again.
"As of Aug. 2, more than 164 million people in the United States were fully vaccinated against Covid-19, according to the CDC. Fewer than 0.001% of those individuals — 1,507 people — died and fewer than 0.005% — 7,101 people — were hospitalized with Covid-19."
More Than 99.99% of Vaccinated Americans Have Not Died or Been Hospitalized From Covid: CDC
https://www.mediaite.com/news/over-...rom-death-and-hospitalization-from-covid-cdc/
The latest data from the CDC regarding the Covid-19 vaccines is extremely positive for two key factors: protection against death and hospitalization. In fact, the numbers show that for fully-vaccinated Americans, more than 99.99% of them “have not had a breakthrough case resulting in hospitalization or death.”
The promising data comes from a CNN analysis of the information collected by the CDC, and the exact figures illustrate exactly how broad the protection have proven to be from the three vaccines approved for emergency use by the FDA:
As of Aug. 2, more than 164 million people in the United States were fully vaccinated against Covid-19, according to the CDC. Fewer than 0.001% of those individuals — 1,507 people — died and fewer than 0.005% — 7,101 people — were hospitalized with Covid-19.
The CDC also noted that 74% of the reported breakthrough cases — a positive case of Covid-19 in someone who was fully vaccinated — occurred in people who were at least 65 years old.
Moreover, out of the 1,507 people who died, one in five of those were “reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19,” the CDC says.
The report comes amid heavy media coverage of the highly contagious Delta variant of the virus, as well as concerns about other potential future variants.
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