Republican Jewish Coalition Bars Ron Paul From Debate: ‘He’s misguided and extreme’

Accepted. And I did offer to verify it. BTW your internet shrink nonsense only makes you look silly.
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Ok, I apologize for calling you a chicken hawk. A combat veteran cannot be a chickenhawk, by it's very definition. I will take you at your word that you are what you say you are and I will respect that you may have seen and done things you do not wish to discuss. This is something I understand.
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I have to respect the possibility, unverified as it may be, that he may be telling the truth. If he's telling the truth and he has issues he does not wish to discuss he may suffer from PTSD. To be truthful, the anger he's displayed kind of lends itself to that so out of an abundance of caution, and respect for the possibility that he laid his life on the line for our nation, I have decided to withdraw that line of questioning as far as Trader666 is concerned...and take him at his word.
 
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Oh please... I didn't ask you anything other than if you've ever served in combat which I said I'd define as someplace for which combat awards were authorized (while you served there). I didn't ask where or when or what you did and I didn't even ask if you received any combat awards, let alone what they might have been and what for.

Clearly you do not understand how intelligence and classified information works. That's ok because very few outside the intel MOS's do. To use layman's terms gaining intelligence is just like putting together a puzzle. Each piece gets you closer to the overview and at some point, you have enough pieces to understand the picture. This is where the SCI of my TS clearance comes in. SCI stands for sensitive compartment-ed information and that means that all classified information is broken up (or compartmentalized) so as to make it more difficult to give the enemy the overview of our capabilities and methods. Simply stating unit x is going to Y at such and such a date is considered Confidential information, the disclosure of which would cause damage to the national security of the United States of America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_information_in_the_United_States#Confidential

Now, if you were in the army it's probably something you did a million times...but it's still a violation. Disclosing a unit's capabilities and methods would be an even bigger violation, and by stating whether or not combat awards were authorized (plus everything else I've stated), well, that would move us well into an area that I am not comfortable with.

I invite you again to read through the reference I provided (which you could not have possibly done this quickly). I am not making this stuff up. Either read the reference and see for yourself, or respect my wishes as I've respected yours. Are you able to do that?
 
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Accepted. And I did offer to verify it. BTW your internet shrink nonsense only makes you look silly.

To be clear, you offered to verify it through a third party....and if you have issues you don't like to talk about maybe you need to see one.
 
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Hard to believe. America IS waking up. :)

In spite of a clearly identifiable corporate media campaign to marginalize him. Win lose or draw we are witnessing a major shift in America...as you say, America is waking up...and not a moment too soon.
 
Quote from DAS Trader:

I have to respect the possibility, unverified as it may be, that he may be telling the truth. If he's telling the truth and he has issues he does not wish to discuss he may suffer from PTSD. To be truthful, the anger he's displayed kind of lends itself to that so out of an abundance of caution, and respect for the possibility that he laid his life on the line for our nation, I have decided to withdraw that line of questioning as far as Trader666 is concerned...and take him at his word.

The whole chickenhawk thing was a sideshow anyway. It doesn't really address the issues that truly need to be addressed and understood. Further, it does more harm than good when attempting to foster a dialogue. I blame myself for letting it go this route. I'm usually more diplomatic but the NDAA thing really has me pissed right now.

Fair enuf. Powerful argument. Standing down.
 
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In spite of a clearly identifiable corporate media campaign to marginalize him. Win lose or draw we are witnessing a major shift in America...as you say, America is waking up...and not a moment too soon.

DAS, Ron Paul, even if he wins will face gridlock for both of his terms of office ( I am assuming him to be a two termer)

He will be disliked by dems and the GOP alike who are on the take.

And a Ron Paul win will have to be followed by massive recalls of congressmen and senators by the people if they mess with him.

Will the people support Paul after they put him in?

He will need that support, continuously, for his entire term.
 
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In spite of a clearly identifiable corporate media campaign to marginalize him. Win lose or draw we are witnessing a major shift in America...as you say, America is waking up...and not a moment too soon.

Yes, exactly. Unfortunately, I think we're well past the point of no return. The NDAA sealed the deal for me. Apparently Obama instructed Levin-McCain to make the NDAA applicable to Americans. Of course, the authors and Congress had no choice but to reluctantly oblige. What a crock of sh*t. Anyway, I hate to be a negative nancy and rain on this parade, but if Ron ever gets close to the Presidency, I think there's a >90% chance he's assassinated. Beyond the catchy one-liners and popular austerity, Paul will bring a complete revolution. He'll blow the lid on the past 40 years of endemic corruption. Trillions of dollars in corporate graft aside, the culture of criminals ain't gonna let that happen. It's for that reason - the grassroots Constitutional fervor - that I think we're headed for a civil war. The authoritarians in DC wanted a police state regardless, apparently. Seems a lot of us won't acquiesce , tho. Rons popularity is proof of it = collision course with destiny now. Hence, all the bills to revoke 2nd amendment rights for returning vets/criminalize militia/ DHS propaganda depicting middle class white males as terrorists etc etc.
 
Quote from achilles28:

Yes, exactly. Unfortunately, I think we're well past the point of no return. The NDAA sealed the deal for me. Apparently Obama instructed Levin-McCain to make the NDAA applicable to Americans. Of course, the authors and Congress had no choice but to reluctantly oblige. What a crock of sh*t. Anyway, I hate to be a negative nancy and rain on this parade, but if Ron ever gets close to the Presidency, I think there's a >90% chance he's assassinated. Beyond the catchy one-liners and popular austerity, Paul will bring a complete revolution. He'll blow the lid on the past 40 years of endemic corruption. Trillions of dollars in corporate graft aside, the culture of criminals ain't gonna let that happen. It's for that reason - the grassroots Constitutional fervor - that I think we're headed for a civil war. The authoritarians in DC wanted a police state regardless, apparently. Seems a lot of us won't acquiesce , tho. Rons popularity is proof of it = collision course with destiny now. Hence, all the bills to revoke 2nd amendment rights for returning vets/criminalize militia/ DHS propaganda depicting middle class white males as terrorists etc etc.

I didn't want to say that.......

More impressively is that Paul knows what could go down, and he pushes on. He is a hero for that alone.
 
Quote from achilles28:

Yes, exactly. Unfortunately, I think we're well past the point of no return. The NDAA sealed the deal for me. Apparently Obama instructed Levin-McCain to make the NDAA applicable to Americans. Of course, the authors and Congress had no choice but to reluctantly oblige. What a crock of sh*t. Anyway, I hate to be a negative nancy and rain on this parade, but if Ron ever gets close to the Presidency, I think there's a >90% chance he's assassinated. Beyond the catchy one-liners and popular austerity, Paul will bring a complete revolution. He'll blow the lid on the past 40 years of endemic corruption. Trillions of dollars in corporate graft aside, the culture of criminals ain't gonna let that happen. It's for that reason - the grassroots Constitutional fervor - that I think we're headed for a civil war. The authoritarians in DC wanted a police state regardless, apparently. Seems a lot of us won't acquiesce , tho. Rons popularity is proof of it = collision course with destiny now. Hence, all the bills to revoke 2nd amendment rights for returning vets/criminalize militia/ DHS propaganda depicting middle class white males as terrorists etc etc.

Truer words were never spoken.
 
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