Reminiscences of a Stock Operator...

Quote from Avalanche:

The best of Remincecents of a Stock Operator.

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Another lesson I learned early is that there is nothing new in Wall Street. There can’t be because speculation is as old as the hills. Whatever happens in the stock market today has happen before and will happen again.



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The reason for what a certain stock does today may not be known for two or there days, or weeks, or months… But you must act instantly or be left.



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What beat me was not having brains enough to stick to own game—that is , to play the market only when I was satisfied that precedents favored my play. There is a time for all things, but I didn’t know it.



There is the plain fool who does the wrong thing at all times everywhere, but there is the Wall Street fool, who thinks he must trade all the time.



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The Desire for constant action irrespective of underlying conditions is responsible for many losses in Wall Street even among the professionals, who feel that they must take home some money everyday, as though they were working for regular wages.



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But there is only one side to the stock market; and it is not the bull side or the bear side, but the right side.



A man must believe in himself and his judgment if he expects to make a living at this game.



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We not only ran into an era of industrial consolidations and combinations of capital that had beaten anything we had up to that time, but the public went stock mad.



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I was twenty when I made my first ten thousand and I lost that. But I knew how and why- because I traded out of season all the time; because when I couldn’t play according to my system, which was based on study and experience, I went and gambled. I hoped to win instead of knowing that I ought to win on form.



There is nothing like losing all you have in the world for teaching you what not to do. And when you know what not to do in order not to lose money, you begin to learn what not to do in order to win. Did you get that? You begin to learn.





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If a stock doesn’t act right don’t touch it; because being unable to tell precisely what is wrong, you cannot tell which way it is going. No diagnosis, no prognosis. No prognosis, no profit.



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“I should say that a chart helps those you can read it or rather who can assimilate what they read. The average chart reader, however, is apt to become obsessed with the notion that the dips and peaks and primary and secondary movements are all there is to stock speculation. If he pushes his confidence to its logical limit he is bound to go broke.



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I didn’t expect to do as well as I did in the bucket shops, but I though after a while I would do much better because I would be able to swing a much heavier line. Yet I can see now that my main trouble was failure to grasp the vital difference between stock gambling and stock speculating.



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It was the change in my own attitude that was of supreme importance to me. It taught me, little by little, the essential difference between betting on fluctuations and anticipating inevitable advances and declines, between gambling and speculating.



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I think it was a long step forward in my trading education when I realized at last that that when old Mr. Partridge kept on telling the other the other customers, “Well, you know this is a bull market!” he really meant to tell them that the big money was not in the individual fluctuations but in the main movements – that is, not in reading the tape but in sizing up the entire market and its trend.



It never was my thinking that made the big money for me. It always was sitting. Got that? My sitting tight!



… It is no trick at all to be right on the market… I’ve known many men who were right at exactly the right time and began buying or selling stocks at exactly the right time…

And there experience invariably matched mine—that is, they made no real money out of it.

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Men who can both be right and sit tight are uncommon. I found it one of the hardest things to learn. But it is only after a stock operator has firmly grasped this that he can make big money. It is literally true that millions come easier to a trader after he knows how to trade than hundreds did in the days of his ignorance.



In a bull market your game is to buy and hold until you believe that the bull market is near its end. To do this must study general conditions and not tips or special factors affecting individual stocks. Then get out of all your stocks; get out for keeps!



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“The tape doesn’t lie, does it?” “It doesn’t always tell the truth on the instant,” I said



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It was not that all I needed to learn was not to take tips but follow my own inclination. It was that I gained confidence in myself and I was able finally to shake off the old method of trading.



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But the average man doesn’t wish to be told that it is a bull or a bear market. What he desires is to be told specifically which particular stock to buy or sell. He wants to get something for nothing. He does not wish to work. He doesn’t even wish to think.



Well I wasn’t that lazy but I found it easier to think of individual stocks than of the general market and therefore of individual fluctuations rather that than of general movements. I had to change that and I did.



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The big men of the Street are prone to wishful thinkers as the politicians or the plain suckers. In a speculator such an attitude is fatal.



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For a sucker play a man gets sucker pay.



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At 164 prices looked mighty high, but as I told you before, stocks are never too high to buy or too low to sell.



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“Do you wish to gamble blindly in the hope of getting a great big profit or do you wish to speculate intelligently and get a smaller but much more probable profit?”





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The successful trader has to fight these two deep-seated instincts. He has to reverse what you might call his natural impulses. Instead of hoping he must fear; instead of fearing he must hope. He must fear his loss may develop into a much bigger loss, and hope that his profit may become a much bigger profit.



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Nowhere does history indulge it repetitions so often or so uniformly as is Wall Street.



And there is anther thing to remember, and that is that a market does not culminate in one grand blaze of glory. Neither does it end with a sudden reversal of form.



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Never try to sell at the top. It isn’t wise. Sell after a reaction if there is no rally.



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As I said before, in a bear market it is always wise to cover if complete demoralization suddenly develops.



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The first step in a bull movement in a stock is to advertise the fact that there is a bull movement on.

No need to read or buy the book anymore, is there? :-)
 
Quote from traderkay:

I'm not too eager to learn from a guy who killed himself...

Actually, knowing that he killed himself is one of the things that makes his writing even more poignant to me. It underlines a lot of the things he did wrong (like "swinging his full line," i.e., not using risk management, and like eventually letting the market get the best of his sanity.)

I think the book lists just as many "don'ts" as "do's," all of them critical to remaining successful and sane in the market.
 
Quote from Avalanche:

The best of Remincecents of a Stock Operator.

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Another lesson I learned early is that there is nothing new in Wall Street. There can’t be because speculation is as old as the hills. Whatever happens in the stock market today has happen before and will happen again.



Dad said page 234 was the most important:


Fear and hope remain the same; therefore the study of the psychology of speculators is as valuable as it ever was. Weapons change but strategy remains strategy, on the New York Stock Exchange as on the battlefield. …..”The principles of successful stock speculation are based on the supposition that people will continue in the future to make the same mistakes that they have made in the past”

Daughter
 
I read that book years ago when I jut started trading. I thought it was great book. I definitely encouraged me to want to trade more actively and dream of making millions doing it.

I am still dreaming. :)
 
Quote from TickRader:

I read that book years ago when I jut started trading. I thought it was great book. I definitely encouraged me to want to trade more actively and dream of making millions doing it.

I am still dreaming. :)

I too read it when I was just starting out.

I guarantee you'll get a lot more out of it now that you've been trading for a while. Check it out again!
 
since1997, I think I will reread it. Especially now that I have had experience trading. Just need to find my copy, I might have loan it someone.
 
Quote from TickRader:

since1997, I think I will reread it. Especially now that I have had experience trading. Just need to find my copy, I might have loan it someone.

You LEANT your copy to someone?!!! Oh, the sacrelege!

I've lost/lendt out more than half a dozen copies of this book over the years. Finally learned to stop doing that.

I actaully bought a leather bound, limited edition gold leaf page copy a few years ago and put it up there on the shelf with other treasures. :-)

Good luck trying to get it back from whoevery you gave it to! :-)
 
Quote from Hydroblunt:

In other words, he COULD NOT MAKE ANY MONEY during a bear market. PERIOD. Not a trader but an investor.
Why do you think he kept his dancing career. Some of it was for passion but the bottom line is that Darvas could not say to himself "I can make a steady living from the market". He could not and never did. He made speculative investment plays which paid off quite well, be it luck or not. But it was a bull market strategy, just like buying anything with a ".com" 5 years ago.

Some posters here have zero idea what it means to be a day trader and making a somewhat steady income from the market. That means minute to minute, day to day strategies in any market.

Yes, he was a investor, not a trader. And so what? It made him a fortune. Dancing? Well, I suppose he also loved that. He had a life besides speculation. Anything wrong with that?
 
Quote from Hydroblunt:

I think making a million being short in less than a year in 1906 is a much bigger accomplishment than being a perpetual bull and having the market on your side. Darvas would have been nowhere with his inital stake if he started out during a stagnant bear market and we would have never ever heard of him unless we were professional dance enthusiasts. Let's even say that after a few successful "trades" Darvas quit his dancing right into a 5 bear market. How and how long would he have survived? Remember, he cannot act during a bear market. He had a stake he could afford to lose and that he never needed to touch. Quite different from a trader that takes out cash for living expenses.

Some of you obviously do not trade for a living. Yes I wish I was rich or graduated into a job market where I could have a reasonable job that I actually enjoyed so that I could speculate/invest on the side. But that is not reality to me and many others, particularly many recent college grads. Yes it's nice to have some pipe dream about how one can get rich being a "trader" that only buys for long periods, but this isnt 1950s, 1980s or 1990s. Many of us trade everyday for a living and go on from there. I know traders that make money 250 out of 255 trading days a year so do not even try to say that it is impossible to do so. It's done by more people than you think. To consistently take out profits every single month as a day trader is very feasible.

Every evolving trader realizes that eventually they need to step up and increase hold times and move toward investing/speculating as their capital grows if they ever plan on amassing a real fortune. Livermore goes into heavy discussion about this. If you have a job or a fortune stake where you have free capital to play with like Darvas did, go for it. You might want to wait for a bull market though. Otherwise, you are a day to day trader just like Livermore started as. That is what most traders are. That is how the humongous trading business even exists, through real day to day traders. They can't wait for a bull market and just concentrate on professional dancing during bear markets. That's for investors.

For all the prop firm hacks, there 10 times the mom & pop investors that already lost all their life savings and will do so every single cycle. For every 20 point up move that some investors made in NYSE stock, successful traders and specialists made 30 in the flunctuations. Broker Dealers, Trading house and NYSE have taken millions of investors dollars while investors have taken zero of theirs.

Well, Livermore was trading on 10% margin in 1906 - and later. That's the difference.
 
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