Looks like something CL did recently, doesn't it? There was no NG news at the time to warrant that spike.
Remember this pathetic option seller who lost $150 million for shorting natural gas and crude naked?
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Looks like something CL did recently, doesn't it? There was no NG news at the time to warrant that spike.
It was due to US winter season.
it was extra cold and that moved NG price.
There were news about it.
it was very difficult to trade actually because price movement
was very chaotic.
I was cognizant of NG at that time. Nothing warranted NG spiking up and down over a point in the course of a week. I remember thinking it happened simply because of Cordier's positions. Like someone just "took him out".
Just like how nothing warranted CL spiking down and then up 50 points in 4 days.
Yes just like what @maxinger said, he's being sued for being negligent and breaking of his fiduciary duties. He deviated from his own trading plan that he touted to his clients. His clients had concerns of too high of risk in what he was doing and he assured them that he would hedge and he didn't. Of course his hedging techniques that he mentioned is his books were anything but useless and would've pretty much erased the tiny premiums and that's why he usually didn't deploy them but he should've 1) disclosed that to his clients and 2) changed his strategy altogether to deal with the risk better.
And he did take it down but it was already too late. Somebody already downloaded it and put it back up now it's there forever. LOL
The guy did it on his own apparently. I guess he still felt that he appealed with his "personal touch" to his clients as "family" and "friends", they could somehow forget about the losses and forgive him. LOL The guys is not just competent but pompous and naive too. Nobody still stays as your friend when you lose their money. That's the reality of you investing other people's money.
Amen.
Maybe got a personal experience related to this ? (loosing others money), or had a close chance of witnessing such scenario and events that followed ?
Luckily no. Just my personal observation of quite a lot of "money managers" losing their family and friends' money and what happened to their relationship afterwards.
I really empathize with these victims. At the risk of sounding base, unless FC Stone was one of the limited partners in the investment vehicle structure I’m not confident that the lawsuit will prevail. My sense (and guess) from reading the article was that James Cordier managed the slick trick of getting his clients to individually sign the FCM risk documents. From everything I’ve read, including press releases from the law firms representing clients, it appears that FC Stone’s involvement was limited to clearing the trades.
Sad part about it is that when these people pass, FC Stone will almost surely file a lien against their estates.
After reading some press releases from a few law firms representing victims, it seems like their best shot might be if FC Stone knowingly took customer IRA funds on margin. They’re suing Cordier and the traders, of course, but the lawyers know that FC Stone has the deep pockets.
Sad part about it is that when these people pass, FC Stone will almost surely file a lien against their estates.
After reading some press releases from a few law firms representing victims, it seems like their best shot might be if FC Stone knowingly took customer IRA funds on margin. They’re suing Cordier and the traders, of course, but the lawyers know that FC Stone has the deep pockets.
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If these clients signed documents directly with FC Stone, wouldn't FC Stone be in a direct client custodian relationship and would owe fiduciary duties directly to the clients? Then FC Stone would have a direct responsibility to ensure the suitability of the clients' investments in terms of riskiness and even to the IRA funds on margin in which many of those clients' transactions took place? This is what the lawsuit is hinging on, is the derelict of fiduciary duties that FC Stone owes to their clients.
Well if the lien is a direct result of FC Stone's unlawful taking of their clients' funds from IRA account on margin knowingly violating the rules regarding IRA rules then there is no lien, fruit from the poisonous tree.
That's for sure. There is no way a fee-based "hedge fund" will be able to pay up $150 million losses plus punitive damages.