Religion is a hypothesis.

[Ricter]

Quote from vhehn:

I'd rather live in a secular world which provides for religious freedom, which is what I thought we were suppose to be doing. The zealots on both sides have so contaminated the issues it has become impossible to have a sane, rational discussion about anything.
thats exactly what we have. you are free to believe whatever you want to in your homes and churches. but you can not come into the public arena and promote superstition as truth unchallenged.
how do you propose we have a sane rational discussion with a person who insists an invisible man in the sky picked up an hand full of dirt and made man from it?

*sigh* This reply started out so well...

 

[CaptainObvious]

Quote from vhehn:

thats exactly what we have. you are free to believe whatever you want to in your homes and churches. but you can not come into the public arena and promote superstition as truth unchallenged.
how do you propose we have a sane rational discussion with a person who insists an invisible man in the sky picked up an hand full of dirt and made man from it? [/B][/QUOTE]

And you cannot come into the public arena and promote theory as truth unchallenged.
The first step towards a sane, rational discussion would be to take a less insulting attitude towards the beliefs of others. Otherwise we quickly fall into you calling God an invisible man in the sky and me calling your theories junk science promoted by lazy ass people whom are afraid to address the obvious, which is, you can't get something living from a dead nothing.

 

[killthesunshine]

if there is a God why does he hide so as to create doubt and confusion?

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from CaptainObvious:

thats exactly what we have. you are free to believe whatever you want to in your homes and churches. but you can not come into the public arena and promote superstition as truth unchallenged.
how do you propose we have a sane rational discussion with a person who insists an invisible man in the sky picked up an hand full of dirt and made man from it?

And you cannot come into the public arena and promote theory as truth unchallenged.

[/B][/QUOTE]
oh but i can because i have the evidence on my side. i find it hard to believe that people like you cant tell the difference between emotion and evidence.
you are free to challenge anything our scientific knowledge tells us but you must do it with better evidence and not emotional bs.

 

[Index piker]

Quote from killthesunshine:

if there is a God why does he hide so as to create doubt and confusion?

Finally you admit to being afflicted by confusion.

 

[Index piker]

Quote from vhehn:

And you cannot come into the public arena and promote theory as truth unchallenged.

1)oh but i can because i have the evidence on my side.2) i find it hard to believe that people like you cant tell the difference between emotion and evidence.
you are free to challenge anything our scientific knowledge tells us but you must do it with better evidence and not emotional bs. [/B][/QUOTE]

1)Evidence, wtf evidence do you have?


2) You confuse experience with emotion.

 

[piezoe]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Oh yes, you have it all figured out...

LOL!!!

...anyway, let me show you how easy it is.

By your own statement :

"There's no evidence that anything exists outside of the physical except ideas..."

So without the physical mathematical truths don't exist?

LOL!!!


No, they exist independent of the physical. These ideas are not at all dependent on the physical.

Take away all the physical, the rules of mathematics do exist. They cannot be destroyed, they are not created. They are discovered by the ideas of man. Something not physical, ideas discover mathematical ideas that are not produced by man...

So God is not physical, and that means God does not exist?

LOL!!!

Well at least there is something almost intelligent being added to this otherwise absurd thread.

Mathematics is an invention of man, just as typing is an invention of man. It is not a discovery, but to say so is less of a transgression than equating mathematics with science, which -- shudder-- will make a theoretical mathematician's skin crawl. Mathematics is NOT science, but rather a tool used by scientists. If you go and talk to a pure mathematician, a theorist, you will find that they usually have no interest in applications, but seldom object if someone else applies their mathematics, so long as they don't have to do it themselves.

 

[bigarrow]

Quote from Index piker:

That's exactly what I am trying to tell you.

You are only accepting part of the facts science tells you about the nature of our being and existence and conveniently exclude what you find uncomfortable.

Why do you shy away from the evidence that science has revealed concerning the infinite egress of the universe on a cosmological and subatomic scale?

Your belief in matter despite sciences inability to discover or describe it, is the same as a theist's belief in God.


When one has a more enlightened viewpoint the inability of science to describe matter and God are not surprising in the least.
HINT HINT

That my friend is some wacked out bullshit, enough to make a master bullshitter proud. If you wrote that without being high, then even more kudos to you man.

 

[killthesunshine]

Quote from Index piker:

Finally you admit to being afflicted by confusion.

i, sir, am not afflicted, affected nor conflicted.the question sir why does god require ME

 

[Index piker]

The one salient feature of matter discovered by physicists is that it's a collection of ever smaller Chinese puzzle boxes consisting of empty space, wrapping other chinese puzzle boxes consisting of empty space.

Pretty soon maybe they will discover nothing itself at LHC .