Religion is a hypothesis.

Actually, mathematics calculated that the Universe is finite but obviously something must exists outside of the border of the know Universe.
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Is the universe physical?

Yes.

Is there a limit to the universe?
Has an end of the universe been found?

No.

Therefore the universe is a physical infinity.

Of course you can't see it because you are within it, just as a tree can't actually see the forest...

p.s. It is impossible to see a physical infinity in mathematics. Can't really believe you are that dense...unless you are counting the mind's eye as seeing, but you don't seem much like the insight type.
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Well maybe half is not precise. Obviously the majority is usually in ignorance and darkness. This is a perfect example....
There are a billion in India and 1.2 billion in China are not exactly into the Abrahamic "personal god". This gives me hope to the sanity of the human race!!!!

As to the issue of the Infinity, are you actually saying it does not exist?
What is the largest number then? Hint. Infinity is not physical, God is not physical. Both are Universal Principles, concepts.....
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Actually over half the theists in the world are now Abrahamists (Jews, Christians and Muslims). And how can you claim a physical Infinity does exist? I've never seen an actual infinity anywhere outside of mathematics. Perhaps you're not as free from idiocy as you presume.
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Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Is the universe physical?

Yes.

Is there a limit to the universe?
Has an end of the universe been found?

No.

Therefore the universe is a physical infinity.

Of course you can't see it because you are within it, just as a tree can't actually see the forest...

p.s. It is impossible to see a physical infinity in mathematics. Can't really believe you are that dense...unless you are counting the mind's eye as seeing, but you don't seem much like the insight type.
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uhh, try to get your facts right! the uneverse CURVES upon itself into BALL. if you traveled far and long enough you'd arrive at your starting point! :D
 
Hardly anyone would give a damn about any of this crap were it not for the fact that religion has become a business and there is a godawful amount of money to be made from it. :D
 
Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Is the universe physical?

Yes.

Is there a limit to the universe?
Has an end of the universe been found?

No.

Therefore the universe is a physical infinity.

Of course you can't see it because you are within it, just as a tree can't actually see the forest...

p.s. It is impossible to see a physical infinity in mathematics. Can't really believe you are that dense...unless you are counting the mind's eye as seeing, but you don't seem much like the insight type.
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As to the issue of the Infinity, are you actually saying it does not exist?
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No, I have the utmost belief in infinity as described by mathematics. Infinity is a very useful mathematical object.
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What is the largest number then?
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If we strict our study to integers, the largest number is Aleph-null.
Quote from loza:

Infinity is not physical, God is not physical. Both are Universal Principles, concepts.....
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There's the rub. If by "Universal", you mean common to all humanity, then you are sorely mistaken. If by "Universal", you mean common to belief systems found throughout a certain region like Asia, you may be right, but so what?

Let's look at something else that used to be a Universal Principle: the world is flat. Just because something is a shared belief, that doesn't make it a part of reality. Reality is independent of belief.

And if Infinity is not physical and God is not physical, how can they have any impact on the physical world? Only through the actions of humans can beliefs have an impact on the world. And humans didn't make the world.

I know theists like to talk about the spiritual world and whatnot but such has no irrefutable evidence of being. Our minds are not separate from our brains, and our brains are as physical as our hands.

There's no evidence that anything exists outside of the physical except ideas, and ideas are still wholly dependent on the physical world to bring them into existence. No brain means no ideas. Rocks don't have ideas. Trees don't have ideas. Only beings with living brains have ideas.

If your God is not physical, then he has no more reality than Infinity, and is nothing more than an idea.

Not all ideas are useful or worthwhile ideas.
 
Oh yes, you have it all figured out...

LOL!!!

...anyway, let me show you how easy it is.

By your own statement :

"There's no evidence that anything exists outside of the physical except ideas..."

So without the physical mathematical truths don't exist?

LOL!!!

No, they exist independent of the physical. These ideas are not at all dependent on the physical.

Take away all the physical, the rules of mathematics do exist. They cannot be destroyed, they are not created. They are discovered by the ideas of man. Something not physical, ideas discover mathematical ideas that are not produced by man...

So God is not physical, and that means God does not exist?

LOL!!!






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No, I have the utmost belief in infinity as described by mathematics. Infinity is a very useful mathematical object.
If we strict our study to integers, the largest number is Aleph-null.
There's the rub. If by "Universal", you mean common to all humanity, then you are sorely mistaken. If by "Universal", you mean common to belief systems found throughout a certain region like Asia, you may be right, but so what?

Let's look at something else that used to be a Universal Principle: the world is flat. Just because something is a shared belief, that doesn't make it a part of reality. Reality is independent of belief.

And if Infinity is not physical and God is not physical, how can they have any impact on the physical world? Only through the actions of humans can beliefs have an impact on the world. And humans didn't make the world.

I know theists like to talk about the spiritual world and whatnot but such has no irrefutable evidence of being. Our minds are not separate from our brains, and our brains are as physical as our hands.

There's no evidence that anything exists outside of the physical except ideas, and ideas are still wholly dependent on the physical world to bring them into existence. No brain means no ideas. Rocks don't have ideas. Trees don't have ideas. Only beings with living brains have ideas.

If your God is not physical, then he has no more reality than Infinity, and is nothing more than an idea.

Not all ideas are useful or worthwhile ideas.
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Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Oh yes, you have it all figured out...

LOL!!!

...anyway, let me show you how easy it is.

By your own statement :

"There's no evidence that anything exists outside of the physical except ideas..."

So without the physical mathematical truths don't exist?

LOL!!!

No, they exist independent of the physical. These ideas are not at all dependent on the physical.

Take away all the physical, the rules of mathematics do exist. They cannot be destroyed, they are not created. They are discovered by the ideas of man. Something not physical, ideas discover mathematical ideas that are not produced by man...

So God is not physical, and that means God does not exist?

LOL!!!
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This is the problem when you immerse yourself in sophistry: you can't think logically anymore.

So according to you, a universe utterly devoid of the physical (aka a vast hard vacuum with no matter and no energy) would still be full of "mathematical truths" and "God". And because you believe this, why it must be true! Because reality is dependent on what you believe ... according to your beliefs ... and nothing else.

As said before, people used to be as convinced that the earth is flat as they were of anything else in their lives. It didn't affect the curvature of the earth in the slightest.
 
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