Religion is a hypothesis.

Quote from CaptainObvious:

... a personality on God, one that very closely resembles that of a Sociopath. See qualities below:
1. Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
2. Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
3. Authoritarian
4. Secretive
5. Paranoid
6. Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
7. Conventional appearance
8. Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
9. Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
10. Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
11. Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
12. Incapable of real human attachment to another
13. Unable to feel remorse or guilt
14. Extreme narcissism and grandiose
15. May state readily that their goal is to rule the world
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What a perfect description of the god of Abraham! :eek:

And of Paul the Apostle as well. :D
 
The description of "god" you quoted is the description of a "personal god" of the west. The God of Abraham. Indeed half the world's view of the god is the "non-personal", transcendental, "god-within". This is the god of nature, infinity. Denying this is idiotic hence I have usually nothing to say to idiots who claim to be "atheist" yet I understand their disdain from the west's personal god which is equal to their idiocy. How can you claim Infinity does not exist?

“I died as a mineral and became a plant,
I died as plant and rose to animal,
I died as animal and I was Man.
Why should I fear? When was I less by dying?” Rumi

Change the word "creation" to "emanation" and it all makes sense. There is no Creator, as nothing was ever created.....do you think god is a cobbler?


Quote from CaptainObvious:

This is what you wrote. "Satan is God's proctor, pass his tests you win."
Yes, I reject that. Test what? Win what? Eternal life? I have that without the test or the winning. Get to heaven, or condemned to hell? Neither exist, except in the here and now as a result of our actions. I'm past all that right and wrong, good and evil, rewards and punishment nonsense. It makes no sense.
There is only the Creator of the light AND the dark. The Creator has no human qualities. It's only function, that I can understand, is to provide balance. I believe there may be other reasons for a Creator to exist, but don't know exactly what they are, yet. Light/positive energy and darkness/negative energy occupy the same space and the same time in a spiritual sense. Both are there for us to tap in to. Light is not good, darkness not evil. They just exist, both as a result of the Creator. Where those with opposing views and I part company is they ask why does there have to be a Creator? I say there has to be?
Those that are of the Agnostic or Atheist persuasion ask valid questions. Who is this Creator? Who created the Creator, and why? Those are valid questions and I don't have the answers. I seek those answers, even if it comes to pass that I am wrong.
Where you and I part company, both of us believers in something, is you seem to have put a personality on God, one that very closely resembles that of a Sociopath. See qualities below:
1. Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
2. Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
3. Authoritarian
4. Secretive
5. Paranoid
6. Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
7. Conventional appearance
8. Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
9. Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
10. Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
11. Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
12. Incapable of real human attachment to another
13. Unable to feel remorse or guilt
14. Extreme narcissism and grandiose
15. May state readily that their goal is to rule the world
Worship that? Never! Now if I'm wrong in my assessment of your beliefs, then could you please explain to me just one simple thing to start with. Why the need for a "test", of any sort, let alone my faith?
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Quote from loza:

The description of "god" you quoted is the description of a "personal god" of the west. The God of Abraham. Indeed half the world's view of the god is the "non-personal", transcendental, "god-within". This is the god of nature, infinity. Denying this is idiotic hence I have usually nothing to say to idiots who claim to be "atheist" yet I understand their disdain from the west's personal god which is equal to their idiocy. How can you claim Infinity does not exist?
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Actually over half the theists in the world are now Abrahamists (Jews, Christians and Muslims). And how can you claim a physical Infinity does exist? I've never seen an actual infinity anywhere outside of mathematics. Perhaps you're not as free from idiocy as you presume.
 
Definition of infinity:

1. the quality or state of being infinite.
2. something that is infinite.
3. infinite space, time, or quantity.
4. an infinite extent, amount, or number.
5. an indefinitely great amount or number.
6. Mathematics. a. the assumed limit of a sequence, series, etc., that increases without bound.
b. infinite distance or an infinitely distant part of space.


Note that the only definition which allows for "inifinity" to be used on its own is 6. For other definitions, a qualifier is required in context i.e. time, space, distance.
As for the mathematical definition, this is an abstract concept, so to say that "infinity" exists makes no sense, other than in an abstract manner.
Even if you were to qualify the context, with space and time - you would be wrong given the available evidence. The evidence namely being that the Universe has large bounds (14 to 16 billion light years) but is not infinite.
Nothing in our Universe is infinite, apart from the stupidity of religious bigots.
 
Is the universe physical?

Yes.

Is there a limit to the universe?
Has an end of the universe been found?

No.

Therefore the universe is a physical infinity.

Of course you can't see it because you are within it, just as a tree can't actually see the forest...

p.s. It is impossible to see a physical infinity in mathematics. Can't really believe you are that dense...unless you are counting the mind's eye as seeing, but you don't seem much like the insight type.

Quote from kut2k2:

Actually over half the theists in the world are now Abrahamists (Jews, Christians and Muslims). And how can you claim a physical Infinity does exist? I've never seen an actual infinity anywhere outside of mathematics. Perhaps you're not as free from idiocy as you presume.
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"Nothing in our Universe is infinite, apart from the stupidity of religious bigots."

Is no thing that is within an infinite field itself also infinite?


Quote from cashcow:

Definition of infinity:

1. the quality or state of being infinite.
2. something that is infinite.
3. infinite space, time, or quantity.
4. an infinite extent, amount, or number.
5. an indefinitely great amount or number.
6. Mathematics. a. the assumed limit of a sequence, series, etc., that increases without bound.
b. infinite distance or an infinitely distant part of space.


Note that the only definition which allows for "inifinity" to be used on its own is 6. For other definitions, a qualifier is required in context i.e. time, space, distance.
As for the mathematical definition, this is an abstract concept, so to say that "infinity" exists makes no sense, other than in an abstract manner.
Even if you were to qualify the context, with space and time - you would be wrong given the available evidence. The evidence namely being that the Universe has large bounds (14 to 16 billion light years) but is not infinite.
Nothing in our Universe is infinite, apart from the stupidity of religious bigots.
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