Religion is a hypothesis.

[jficquette]

Quote from stu:

A true agnostic has a disbelief in any claims of ultimate knowledge. Agnosticism is a denial of ultimate knowledge of the existence of God. From that standpoint an agnostic is a closet atheist.

You appear to be portraying a blinkered view like that imposed by restrictive religious thinking.

The anology is, you are suggesting a person can only be Long in the market and if they are not, then they must be Short it. Obviously that is wrong.

You don't even have to have any other belief in the market, or of Short positions or of any others, because you don't believe in being Long it.

Same also with atheists. You don't have to hold any different belief, because you don't have belief in God.

You don't even have to have any other sort of belief in the market because you don't believe in being Long it.

In my opinion , you might need to start getting a better overall understanding. A view outside the constraints of the blinkered existence which living in a religious box imposes on a person.


stu

You can't deny that Atheists believe that there is no God. Where are the facts they use to come up with that?? Absence of facts are not facts to support the absence of the object of belief.

I think its the Atheists who can't accept that they are operating on faith alone and are the ones who need to gain a better understanding that they are sponsoring a religion just as Believers are.

"Religion is a belief that may or may not have some foundation or agreement with objective scientific fact, but which at some point requires the exercise of faith in order to fully accept; in fact, it is the aspect of belief in something which cannot be verified by visible, demonstrable proof which a key element of a religion. Religion is also exemplified by the ardor and faith of its adherents."

http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/05/british-judge-sees-belief-in-global-warming-as-religion/

Go look up what Agnosticism means. You see one doesn't have to be in the market. Believers and Atheists are in the markets. Agnostics are not.

John

 

[OPTIONAL777]

By that broad definition, conservatism is a religion...

Quote from jficquette:

You can't deny that Atheists believe that there is no God. Where are the facts they use to come up with that?? Absence of facts are not facts to support the absence of the object of belief.

I think its the Atheists who can't accept that they are operating on faith alone and are the ones who need to gain a better understanding that they are sponsoring a religion just as Believers are.

"Religion is a belief that may or may not have some foundation or agreement with objective scientific fact, but which at some point requires the exercise of faith in order to fully accept; in fact, it is the aspect of belief in something which cannot be verified by visible, demonstrable proof which a key element of a religion. Religion is also exemplified by the ardor and faith of its adherents."

http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/05/british-judge-sees-belief-in-global-warming-as-religion/

Go look up what Agnosticism means. You see one doesn't have to be in the market. Believers and Atheists are in the markets. Agnostics are not.

John

 

[stu]

Quote from jficquette:

You can't deny that Atheists believe that there is no God. Where are the facts they use to come up with that?? Absence of facts are not facts to support the absence of the object of belief.

I think its the Atheists who can't accept that they are operating on faith alone and are the ones who need to gain a better understanding that they are sponsoring a religion just as Believers are.

"Religion is a belief that may or may not have some foundation or agreement with objective scientific fact, but which at some point requires the exercise of faith in order to fully accept; in fact, it is the aspect of belief in something which cannot be verified by visible, demonstrable proof which a key element of a religion. Religion is also exemplified by the ardor and faith of its adherents."

http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/05/british-judge-sees-belief-in-global-warming-as-religion/

Go look up what Agnosticism means. You see one doesn't have to be in the market. Believers and Atheists are in the markets. Agnostics are not.

John

John,
I deny that all Atheists believe in one or any particular thing . I deny that you can give an atheist belief because he has no belief.

Someone without faith is not operating on faith. It's too silly an idea that it would not even be considered in any other field outside religion or by other than a religious believer.


You go look up agnosticism. It's obvious by this you don't have a grasp on the meaning….

Quote from jficquette:
Agnosticism is not a belief system in that no position is taken.

Agnostic takes the position of disbelief in any claims of ultimate knowledge.

Quote from jficquette:
Agnosticism says that the truth is unknown or unknowable

….. that IS the taking of a position.


Agnostics are in the market. The daft buggers believe in being Long and Short at the same time

 

[jficquette]

"I deny that all Atheists believe in one or any particular thing . I deny that you can give an atheist belief because he says he has no belief."

You still do not understand what Atheism is or you wouldn't have made such a stupid comment.

 

[stu]

Quote from jficquette:

"I deny that all Atheists believe in one or any particular thing . I deny that you can give an atheist belief because he says he has no belief."

You still do not understand what Atheism is or you wouldn't have made such a stupid comment.

You still don't understand what atheist is because you have the deluded idea it can only be one thing.

 

[bugscoe]

Quote from stu:

You still don't understand what atheist is because you have the deluded idea it can only be one thing.

why do you refuse to say you don't believe?

 

[stu]

Quote from bugscoe:

why do you refuse to say you don't believe?

Why do you insist in the ridiculous notion that someone who finds they have no reason to believe something, must therefore have belief?

 

[bugscoe]

Quote from stu:

Why do you insist in the ridiculous notion that someone who finds they have no reason to believe something, must therefore have belief?

Because you won't answer the simple question.

Why do you refuse to say you don't believe in God?

 

[dsq]

Quote from bugscoe:

Because you won't answer the simple question.

Why do you refuse to say you don't believe in God?

as a christian why do you condone and engage racist remarks and innuendo aimed at obama?

 

[stu]

Quote from bugscoe:

Because you won't answer the simple question.

Why do you refuse to say you don't believe in God?

What? You say people who have no belief - do have a belief - because I ..... " won't answer a simple question " ??


If you want people to answer your questions, perhaps you could first , make a little sense and also, why not reciprocate in kind. I asked you this near the start of this thread...

Quote from stu:

Are you seriously trying to suggest atheists believe because they don't believe?

I'm not saying you are one but, you're sure sounding like a jackass who thinks people should answer his questions , but dismisses and passes off questions put to him as "hair splitting".

I find religion tends to make people like yourself assume they must be right and it's everyone else that doesn't conform with religion's stock ideas and absurd notions that must be wrong. All without really being able to think straight about what you are actually saying.