Regarding the Existence or Absence of God

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Like Tripack, I wouldn't rely on science to prove the Lord.

Since Nitro likes science; I' ll keep up with those trends . Einstein said ''Science without religion [redemption] is lame'' Religion [redemption] without science is blind'':cool:

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Feel free to fight against that one also; see how far you get.:cool: :D

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Originally posted by TriPack


I say that science is not capable of comprehending, measuring or recognizing omniscience or omnipotence. Science can measure observations and draw conclusions based on that observation but no matter how many observations are made it will never be able to definitively conclude that a person is all powerful or all knowing. Furthermore, as stu concludes, science is irrelovent to the process of understanding the true nature of god. Thus it is illogical to rely on science when it is incapable of reaching the truth concerning god.
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Tripack, maybe you were absent when we through this whole omnipotence/omniscience jazz. omnipotence is logically impossible. whilst omniscience means that man does not have free will. and of course, the biggest one your god falls down on, by a country mile, is omnibenevolance.

if you wish to shield your idea of god from reason and logic by saying he is simply incomprehensible, fine. but the onus is on YOU to show how you came to have knowledge of the inherently UNKNOWABLE. otherwise, admit that if your god exists, he could only exist as a being with limited powers and limited knowlege.

how exactly does a christian gain knowledge of god? through the bible right? you would think then that once the bible has been shown to be a complete load of bullshit - as it has, MANY MANY TIMES OVER - that the christian would throw out his belief in christianity. but nooooooo, the christian wouldn't dare to do that...( i don't blame him, after the inhumane threats his god makes to him!). if that is not a textbook example of irrationality, i don't know what is.
 
QUOTE]Originally posted by TriPack


... But I concede that I really don't know what it means to be all powerful or all knowing, and furthermore would assert that neither does anyone who is not omnipotent or omniscient. How would you propose that an omnipotent/omniscient person display his power and knowledge so that we could understand what that meant? If we were shown all power and all knowledge, how could we comprehend and endure it?....
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TriPack.

I think stuff is getting a little mixed up here. The fairy tale goes that those who believe in god say he is omnipotent.

If that were the case this god could show us omnipotence if he wanted, because of the very fact that he was omnipotent. Dont you see? 'cause he was omnipotent we could understand what omnipotence was like if he chose to show it to us.
Scientific testing would be completey unnecessary and irrelevent.
 
Originally posted by stu

I think stuff is getting a little mixed up here. The fairy tale goes that those who believe in god say he is omnipotent.

If that were the case this god could show us omnipotence if he wanted, because of the very fact that he was omnipotent. Dont you see? 'cause he was omnipotent we could understand what omnipotence was like if he chose to show it to us.
Scientific testing would be completey unnecessary and irrelevent.
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Stu,

Let's say god showed us his omnipotence. Our understanding would only be able to comprehend a part of that omnipotence unless god also made us omniscient. I'm not saying god is unknowable at all, just that we would be incapable of knowing everything he knows or experiencing all his power unless we had the same power and knowledge he had (unless he made us into gods also). He could show us some of his creations and some of his power and knowledge and from that we would know that he is all powerful and all knowing without any doubt, and it would appear to us that we did in fact know everything.

The conclusion that it would be irrelevent to do scientific testing after knowing the true nature of god is an admission that those who put forth science as the reason for their unbelief in a supreme being are being illogical.
 
Originally posted by TriPack


Let's say god showed us his omnipotence. Our understanding would only be able to comprehend a part of that omnipotence unless god also made us omniscient.


The conclusion that it would be irrelevent to do scientific testing after knowing the true nature of god is an admission that those who put forth science as the reason for their unbelief in a supreme being are being illogical.
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tripack, who ever said that we need to understand god's omnipotence (thanks for ignoring my previous post!) to believe in him???? he would only have to show us an action that by any account would be called miraculous - like some of the one's axeman mentioned - and we would have EVERY REASON to believe he exists.

atheism illogical? i think not buddy boy. you are clutching at ever thinner straws with statements like that.
 
Your are claiming that an omnipotent/omniscient god is
POWERLESS to make us UNDERSTAND his
omnipotence/omniscience???

That in itself would prove that he is NOT omniscient
and omnipotent because he is not smart enough, or
not capable of making us understand.

Your argument is completely flawed.

If I were an omnipotent/omniscient being, do you
know how incredibly easy it would be to prove
this to anyone? I think you are ignoring the
obvious on purpose.

Your telling me you cant think of ANY way to prove
that you are an omniscient/omnipotent being to me?
(Assuming you were such a being)
Come on Tripack, im sure you can think of numerous
examples to convince me of this.


I think stu is simply making the point that if a
omnipotent/omniscient god existed, he could make
it so incredibly obvious that there would be no need
for scientific experiments.

I personally would do them anyway, but it would
be about as easy as proving that a rock, which I was
holding in my hand, would hit the ground when I released it.

peace

axeman



Originally posted by TriPack


Stu,

Let's say god showed us his omnipotence. Our understanding would only be able to comprehend a part of that omnipotence unless god also made us omniscient. I'm not saying god is unknowable at all, just that we would be incapable of knowing everything he knows or experiencing all his power unless we had the same power and knowledge he had (unless he made us into gods also). He could show us some of his creations and some of his power and knowledge and from that we would know that he is all powerful and all knowing without any doubt, and it would appear to us that we did in fact know everything.

The conclusion that it would be irrelevent to do scientific testing after knowing the true nature of god is an admission that those who put forth science as the reason for their unbelief in a supreme being are being illogical.
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LOL! Oh really?

I challenge your SCARED LITTLE GIRL POWERLESS SELF
to show us your OMNIPOTENT powers
and stop the atheists from ever posting to ET again.

Anyone wanna take bets on this one? :D



Originally posted by Supreme Being
I exist.

Atheists please do not bother trying to check-in up here when you finally check-out down there.

Thank you.
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MAKE US!! LOL :D
Oh thats right...your cant. Powerless WIMP!

peace

axeman
 
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