Regarding the Existence or Absence of God

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pascal's wager makes sense, even though it, in and of itself, does not "prove" the existence of anything. the "atheist" site recomended by axeman was quite funny and full of garbage. for example one of the stupidist lines was in the FAQ section concerning the 2nd law of thermodynamics---- " an acorn as it grows into a tree represents order from chaos"(paraphrased) LMAO. that is just an ignorant ascertation. there are numerous other "misspeaks" and inaccuracies on the "atheist" site. FACE IT -- the belief in evolution takes as much faith as belief in god.

ok, back to the refutation of pascal's wager refute---step by step

1. how do you know which god to believe in ?

answer--- all religions are reflections of the same creator--different names, different concepts but at the core its the same creator. this statement is a "red herring" and has nothing to do with the wager itself.

2. god is not stupid, he will know you are trying to get a free ride to heaven out of convience.

answer---once again, makes no sense. the atheists are using a statement "god is not stupid" in an idiotic and improper fashion another "red herring"

3. if there is no god you still have lost something

answer--- that is a subjective question and meaningless without clarification by the individual

4. can you get away with general belief ?

answer--- its super funny that an "athiest" would ask this question to refute an existence of god wager. once again--- irelevant.

i could go on and on---but the point is made.

surf:)
 
Originally posted by axeman
Everyone should believe in my big foot.
Because you have nothing to lose by believing
in my big foot.

BUT...and this is a huge but, if you don't believe
in my big foot, my big foot will get mad, and
you will end up with my big foot
up your ASS!!!
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Oh man, that is hilarious!

:cool:
 
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Did you even BOTHER TO
READ THIS?!?!?!

Check the conclusion at the end which says:

While God might exist and might be the cause of Descartes’ idea of God, Descartes fails to prove that this must be so.

This critique BASHES Descartes for writing an illogical proof,
and alphe is cheering about reinforcements!

Oh, how funny! :D


Its a well know FLAWED proof alphe.
I thought you read all those philosophy books?
You dont lie very well do you?

peace

axeman

Originally posted by aphexcoil
Ahhh ... yes! Reinforcements have arrived. The Normandy invasion has begun. Forward men!
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Originally posted by marketsurfer
FACE IT -- the belief in evolution takes as much faith as belief in god.
 Sorry surf, but I and the scientific community disagree
with you. There is overwhelming evidence for evolution.
You can choose to believe or not.

You are making an assertion here that you need to back up,
not just merely state.


ok, back to the refutation of pascal's wager refute---step by step

1. how do you know which god to believe in ?

answer--- all religions are reflections of the same creator--different names, different concepts but at the core its the same creator. this statement is a "red herring" and has nothing to do with the wager itself.


Not a red herring. YOU may claim that it is the same creator,
but

1) You have no proof of this. Its an empty assertion.
2) People of other religions DISAGREE with you.
There are people who would be down right insulted if you told them that.

2. god is not stupid, he will know you are trying to get a free ride to heaven out of convience.

answer---once again, makes no sense. the atheists are using a statement "god is not stupid" in an idiotic and improper fashion another "red herring"


Idiot? Improper? Please try explaining instead of just asserting.
It is a very clear statement to me.
In other words, if the only reason you believe in god is
BECAUSE of Pascals Wager, then you are in essence
"pretend" believing. Any god worth his grain in salt will
see through this, therefore making belief by Pascals
Wager alone a very bad idea.


3. if there is no god you still have lost something

answer--- that is a subjective question and meaningless without clarification by the individual



You have lost your rational faculty. Hows that?
People who believe ANYTHING without proof get themselves
into trouble all the time.
For example..... do you come up with trading theories
and immediately starting trading them with REAL money
before PROVING they are effective???


4. can you get away with general belief ?

answer--- its super funny that an "athiest" would ask this question to refute an existence of god wager. once again--- irelevant.


Not sure what you are refering to here.


i could go on and on---but the point is made.


I dont think you have made a point at all.
You have made THREE empty assertions and simply
ignored one point be labeling it idiotic with NO explaination.

That does not constitute an argument.

peace

axeman
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Guys,

What are you guys indulging in here?

If the truth could be understood in a logical-linear fashion wouldn't every body have already told their brothers by now???????
 
Originally posted by daniel_m

maybe it is YOUR OPINION that god=universe, but to most christians and theists i know of, god and universe are separate.
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Originally posted by axeman

Complex things cant happen by accident,
therefore there must be a creator.
But your creator is REALLY complex.
So who created your creator? (Your own logic)
Ooooops now you have a problem.
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That's why I think God and Universe cannot be separate.

Stu, please explain if you can:
"Quantum principles show that the "existence" of nothing, that is no time, no matter of any kind, no space (there has to be no space if there is nothing), is unstable and such a state decays.

Why "existence of nothing" is unstable?

daniel_m:
equating "god" with "universe" is a really cheap way to claim that EVERYONE really believes in god, because of a simple piece of definitional wizardry..
"God = Creator" solves the problem? Religion is a different story, IMO...
 
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