Regarding the Existence or Absence of God

[Gordon Gekko]

what a joke

what a joke

what a joke

what a joke

it is so obvious the bible is nothing but a fairy tale....it is no better than the greek gods nonsense.... stop making your kids go to church before they're old enough to think...

 

[Gordon Gekko]

from some web site:

"You are not alone in your observations. There are varying levels of brainwashing, Religion tries to imprint it's message on as young of minds as possible, thus guaranteeing the highest level of brainwashing possible. Free thought and Skepticism is looked upon by the Church as being evil, this is why the term "God works in mysterious ways" is taught each and every day by the Christian religion. With these simple words, all things which are not understood, are explained and need no further thought. Most of the devout, 24/7 Christians I have met, are the ones who have been spoonfed religion since birth. It starts with the belief in the Junior God, Santa Claus (knows when you are bad, knows when you are good, etc..), and when Children are ready to accept the Big Boys Fairy Tale God, Santa is sold out. But Santa prepares these kids for an easier acceptence of the Big God. I would have no problem with Christians, if it were not for their arrogance at claiming to have found the "absolute truth" and their need to condemn others who believe differently then they do."

 

[TriPack]

Originally posted by axeman
Ummmmmmmmm, I think I prefer to read about archeological
evidence from respectable web sites.

Did you bother reading any of those websites?

The christiananswers.net site had a hilarious account
of how Noahs ark carried DINOAURS!!! LMAOOOO!!!

Did you read any of the hard archaeological evidence rather than just poking fun at the speculation on noah's ark and dinosaurs? The evidence doesn't prove the bible, but it does support the existance of some of the biblical characters, geography, and history. I thought the commentary on slings was fascinating. Did you know a stone slung by an expert slingsman could travel 60 miles an hour and could be thrown up to 440 yards, or more than double the range of archery?

But one thing I assert is that there is no archelogical evidence that disproves the bible. Considering that the bilblical history is said to cover some 4000 years, that is pretty amazing but I will be the first to admit that archaeology can only fill in bits and pieces of information. Scattered archaeological evidence such as this will never lead one to believe that the bible (or any scriptual book) is anything more than just a nice story written a long time ago.

Science is constantly changing the body of what is "known reality". What is commonly taken as fact today would have been ridiculed 100 years ago.

 

[DT-waw]

I don't have time to read all 253 pages of this thread, maybe someone had a similar view on this subject regarding the Existence or Absence of God... I simply think we and our world are the part of God, God is everywhere, in everything...

 

[DT-waw]

Originally posted by stu

Why not try this idea

In the first instance, like the nothing you were going through before you were born, the same was the case for the Universe. There was in fact Nothing. (Even the most devout christian would say "in the beginning was nothing".) We only get a conceptual view of what nothing is like by existing in the here and now and imagining what nothing was to us before we were born

Quantum principles show that the "existence" of nothing, that is no time, no matter of any kind, no space (there has to be no space if there is nothing), is unstable and such a state decays.

stu, please explain why "existence" of nothing ( wow!!! how can "nothing" exist? ) is unstable? Thanks in advance.

 

[daniel_m]

Originally posted by DT-waw
I don't have time to read all 253 pages of this thread, maybe someone had a similar view on this subject regarding the Existence or Absence of God... I simply think we and our world are the part of God, God is everywhere, in everything...

listen to this johnny-come-lately will ya!

don't you think that in 250+ pages some theistic nimrod would've already made that same ludicrous and unsubstantiated assertion?!?

"god is everywhere, in everything..."....sheesh, what deadbeats there are in this world...

it's a pity you don't have time to read the contents of this thread, it's exactly people like you that it would benefit the most

 

[daniel_m]

about that comment i made that the impact of the koran has been at least comparable to that of the bible, this is what i meant:

the koran has exerted a strong influence on the lives of certain human beings (for better or worse; (MUCH MORE worse)) and this influence on people in the world is comparable to the influence the bible has had on others. i don't think anyone can really dispute this.

anyway, my whole reason for saying it is that the numbers of people following a religion, or the impact it has had on their lives, IS NO MEASURE OF THAT RELIGIONS TRUTHFULNESS. exactly how people managed to miss the intent of original comment is indeed a mystery!!

and to those christians with their rose colored glasses firmly placed on their heads who think that christianity was a driving force behind the west's move into science and capitalism it's TIME TO WAKE UP AND FACE REALITY YOU 'DOLTS! nothing could be further from the truth. christianity battled science and the expansion of commerce every step along the way! sure, in today's world most of the highly industrialized countries had a christian past, but only a complete revisionist idiot would claim that the church was a champion of industry and scientific inquiry!

 

[DT-waw]

Originally posted by daniel_m


listen to this johnny-come-lately will ya!

don't you think that in 250+ pages some theistic nimrod would've already made that same ludicrous and unsubstantiated assertion?!?

"god is everywhere, in everything..."....sheesh, what deadbeats there are in this world...

it's a pity you don't have time to read the contents of this thread, it's exactly people like you that it would benefit the most

Wait 3 days, I'm reading page #25 now!

 

[axeman]

Yes I read some of the "hard" archaeological evidence on
those websites.

But when a website is SO obviously christian biased, that
they refer to dinosaurs being on the ark, its difficult to
accept their "hard" archaeological evidence, unless they
refer to respectable unbiased archaeologists.

However, my point is, that this is NOT relevant to this discussion.
Jesus MAY have existed as a christian cult leader back
in Roman times. So what, that does not prove that he
was god. But we dont even have evidence for this.

As daniel has pointed out, there is evidence that Jesus
never even existed. (Jesus stories borrowed from older religions,
shed a lot of doubt on this)

There MAY be artifacts of "peters house", or some guy peter
that lived in a house. So what. Of course the christians
will claim that this is THEIR Peter.

But do we have any artifacts of JESUS??? Nope.
Did he leave any writings behind?? Nope.
He was a carpenter? No? (Or is this just myth too?)
Are they ANY artifacts of something he built? Nope.
Did any of the roman historians of the time even mention him?
Nope.

You said:
The evidence doesn't prove the bible, but it does support the existance of some of the biblical characters, geography, and history

Exactly. Just as greek mythology points to historical
characters, geography and history.
Obviously, anyone writing a story is going to mix in
people, places, and items that existed during that period.

But this doesnt tell us anything.
We already know a christian cult existed. This is NOT what we are interested in. We want to know if Jesus existed and
if he was in fact god.

Is there ANYTHING that would lead us to believe that jesus
existed and not just his cult followers???

Havent seen it.

peace

axeman

Originally posted by TriPack


Did you read any of the hard archaeological evidence rather than just poking fun at the speculation on noah's ark and dinosaurs? The evidence doesn't prove the bible, but it does support the existance of some of the biblical characters, geography, and history. I thought the commentary on slings was fascinating. Did you know a stone slung by an expert slingsman could travel 60 miles an hour and could be thrown up to 440 yards, or more than double the range of archery?

But one thing I assert is that there is no archelogical evidence that disproves the bible. Considering that the bilblical history is said to cover some 4000 years, that is pretty amazing but I will be the first to admit that archaeology can only fill in bits and pieces of information. Scattered archaeological evidence such as this will never lead one to believe that the bible (or any scriptual book) is anything more than just a nice story written a long time ago.

Science is constantly changing the body of what is "known reality". What is commonly taken as fact today would have been ridiculed 100 years ago.

 

[DT-waw]

daniel sorry i should use different words. God = Universe that is my view. Universe is complex. But is this complexity infinite or not and why? We can go deeper and deeper always more questions than answers...