Regarding the Existence or Absence of God

[thunderbolt]

Gilbert West and Lord Lyttleton, two Oxford students, believed Christianity was a "tale gone mad" and they determined to refute the Christian faith. Lyttleton resolved to disprove the conversion of Saul of Tarsus, and West would refute the resurrection of Jesus Christ. They figured a careful, rational, examination of the evidence would easily disprove the Christian faith.

But after examining the evidence — they both separately came to the opposite conclusion! Lyttleton concluded that Saul of Tarsus did, in fact, convert to the Apostle Paul through Jesus Christ. And Gilbert West concluded that the Resurrection of Jesus Christ was among the best established facts in all of history! West went on to write a book entitled, "Observations on the History and Evidences of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ".

Professor Thomas Arnold, former chair of history at Oxford, and author of the famous volumes, History of Rome, was skillfully educated in the study of historical facts. Professor Arnold, stated, "I have been used for many years to study the histories of other times, and to examine and weigh the evidence of those who have written about them, and I know of no one fact in the history of mankind which is PROVED BY BETTER AND FULLER EVIDENCE of every sort, than the great sign which God has given us that Christ died and rose again from the dead."

After investigating the evidence of the resurrection, Lord Darling, former Chief Justice of England, stated, ". . . there exists such overwhelming evidence, positive and negative, factual and circumstantial, that no intelligent jury in the world could fail to bring in a verdict that the resurrection story is true."

To deny the resurrection of Jesus Christ you have to close your eyes to the overwhelming facts of history.

 

[axeman]

Evolution does NOT predict that a 747 would pop out
of a tornado.

This is a Straw Man fallacy.

You clearly have no clue what evolution even is. So how
can you even attempt to debate against it?

Please SHOW us how the mechanisms of evolution could
produce a 747 from a tornado.

You simply cant. This is nothing but ignorant babbling.

peace

axeman

Originally posted by aphexcoil



So, when was the last time you saw a tornado rip through a junk-yard and create a perfectly flyable 747?

 

[axeman]

If I gave you a fictional book full of characters that went
through horrible tortures but stuck to the story of
a resurrection they saw, would you suddenly believe
the book was not fictional???

This is a pathetic argument.
It is completely circular.
The only way the apostles could be taken seriously is
if you FIRST PROVE that the bible is not fictional.

You havent done that.

Fictional eyewitnesses do not make fictional stories real.

peace

axeman

Originally posted by thunderbolt
One theory suggests the apostles fabricated the resurrection. Two major problems: One, If the body of Jesus Christ was available, you'd better believe, the Roman authorities would have paraded His body for all to see. Christianity was spreading like a wild fire! And nothing could have quenched that flame quicker than the body of Jesus Christ!

An article, suggesting Jesus faked His death and resurrection, appeared in the prestigious British Journal of the Royal College of Physicians. The article makes the assertion, "the whole episode was planned by Jesus and his followers. . . that death would be feigned so that early removal from the cross might be secured."

Do you know the problem with that — if the resurrection of Jesus Christ was not true — there were 11 men that knew it!

Remember, friend — THESE MEN WERE EYEWITNESSES! They were there!


"Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were EYEWITNESSES. . ." Luke 1:2

"That which was from the beginning, which we have HEARD, which we have SEEN WITH OUR EYES, which we have LOOKED UPON, and our HANDS HAVE HANDLED. . ." 1 John 1:1

"For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were EYEWITNESSES of his majesty." 2 Peter 1:16

And these men went so far as seal their testimony with their blood! They died a horrible and martyrs death!


FOR A LIE. . .
KNOWING IT WAS A LIE!

There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.

 

[thunderbolt]

Originally posted by daniel_m



did you happen to reason this thunder-mo-fo-dolt???????

When people say that the Bible isn't true...

1. they are parroting back to what some fool told them.
2. they are looking for a way to rationalize the word of God out of their lives so they won't feel responsible to live by it.
3. they unsuccessfully attempt to minimize and explain away the power of the most influential book the world will ever know. The Bible has had such a tremendous impact on civilization that they cannot ignore it, so they come up with tales to discount it.

 

[MrDinky]

Originally posted by Jesus Christ
Wow,

Nearly 250 pages about me...

JC

Is the market going up or down tomorrow?

 

[daniel_m]

Originally posted by thunderbolt


Professor Thomas Arnold, former chair of history at Oxford, and author of the famous volumes, History of Rome, was skillfully educated in the study of historical facts. Professor Arnold, stated, "I have been used for many years to study the histories of other times, and to examine and weigh the evidence of those who have written about them, and I know of no one fact in the history of mankind which is PROVED BY BETTER AND FULLER EVIDENCE of every sort, than the great sign which God has given us that Christ died and rose again from the dead."

you are posting the most ridiculous drivel i have ever read!

i can think of a thousand events in history that are "proved by better and fuller evidence" right off the top of my head.

your argument is basically, "professor joe schmoe believed in jesus, professor joe bloggs believed in jesus, etc therefore it is indisputable fact".

it would be funny if it wasn't so tragic

 

[daniel_m]

Originally posted by thunderbolt


When people say that the Bible isn't true...

1. they are parroting back to what some fool told them.
2. they are looking for a way to rationalize the word of God out of their lives so they won't feel responsible to live by it.
3. they unsuccessfully attempt to minimize and explain away the power of the most influential book the world will ever know. The Bible has had such a tremendous impact on civilization that they cannot ignore it, so they come up with tales to discount it.

when people say the Bible IS true...

1. they are parroting back to what some fool told them.
2. they are looking for a way to rationalize the word of god into their lives
3. they are unaware that the influence a book exerts is no measure at all of its truthfulness. perhaps you might consider the Koran is true based on its undeniable tremendous impact on civilization (at least comparable to that of the bible).

 

[thunderbolt]

Originally posted by daniel_m


you are posting the most ridiculous drivel i have ever read!

i can think of a thousand events in history that are "proved by better and fuller evidence" right off the top of my head.

your argument is basically, "professor joe schmoe believed in jesus, professor joe bloggs believed in jesus, etc therefore it is indisputable fact".

it would be funny if it wasn't so tragic

Hey, these are very educated an respected scholars who make these statments. Who are you?

 

[thunderbolt]

Man, I own this thread.

 

[daniel_m]

Originally posted by thunderbolt


Hey, these are very educated an respected scholars who make these statments. Who are you?

a rational argument doesn't rest on the authority of the person making it.
These professors get no respect from me, as far as their opinion on religion goes. Either they have no evidence to support their empty assertions (no surprise there!) or you don't wish to show it to me.