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Regarding the Existence or Absence of God
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Hey, that's my boy!!!! Well said!!!
LOL, Hehehehehe, LMAO.
Good Evening! I'm sorry I missed yesterday. Looks like the Fools are fading. Let's start out with a some scripture.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Genesis 1:1
Know ye that the LORD he is God:
it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves... Psalms 100:3
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Genesis 1:1
Know ye that the LORD he is God:
it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves... Psalms 100:3
Originally posted by goldenarm
Why do aethiests require a definition for God? God cannot be defined in finite terms. Can you give me a definition of 1 divided by 0? Does this lack of a definition debunk mathematics? No way!
For religious believers, the wonders and beauty experienced by the five senses and man's capacity for love and charity are ample evidence of God's existence. I cannot be dissuaded from this belief and no amount of scientific reasoning can sway me. You know why? Because this debate of God vs. science is as old as time immemorial and there is no possible way to prove or disprove it! Don't even bother wasting any more bandwith on the subject. As George Michael says,"You gotta have faith!"
The second paragraph quoted above is Christianity in a nutshell. Again, no one ever said that everlasting life was an easy goal to achieve. You can take it or leave it, but don't try to force feed your athiestic beliefs on religious followers by engaging in tit for tat philosophical wordplay. You have your beliefs and I have mine.
You say to-ma-to and I say to-may-to. Can't we all just git along? When I'm in heaven I'll be sure to give you a glass of water if I see you. It does get pretty hot where you'll be! And I don't mean Cancun...
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Originally posted by thunderbolt
Good Evening! I'm sorry I missed yesterday. Looks like the Fools are fading. Let's start out with a some scripture.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Genesis 1:1
Know ye that the LORD he is God:
it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves... Psalms 100:3
WHAT THE HELL DO YOU TRADE??????
On to evolution again. Question, can evolution produce an eye? Not a chance! The human brain consists of approximately 12 billion cells, forming 120 trillion interconnections. The light sensitive retina of the eye (which is really part of the brain) contains over 10 million photoreceptor cells. These cells capture the light pattern formed by the lens and convert it into complex electrical signals, which are then sent to a special area of the brain where they are transformed into the sensation we call vision.
In an article in _Byte_ magazine (April 1985), John Stevens compares the signal processing ability of the cells in the retina with that of the most sophisticated computer designed by man, the Cray supercomputer:
"While today's digital hardware is extremely impressive, it is
clear that the human retina's real-time performance goes
unchallenged. Actually, to simulate 10 milliseconds (one hundredth of a second) of the complete processing of even a
single nerve cell from the retina would require the solution of
about 500 simultaneous nonlinear differential equations 100 times and would take at least several minutes of processing time on a Cray supercomputer. Keeping in mind that there are 10 million or more such cells interacting with each other in complex ways, it would take a minimum of 100 years of Cray time to simulate what takes place in your eye many times every second."
If a supercomputer is obviously the product of intelligent design,
how much more obviously is the eye a product of intelligent design? And yet, evolutionists are dead certain that the human eye (and everything else in nature) came into being by pure chance and the intrinsic properties of nature! Evolutionists occasionally admit that it is difficult for even them to believe such a thing.
In an article in _Byte_ magazine (April 1985), John Stevens compares the signal processing ability of the cells in the retina with that of the most sophisticated computer designed by man, the Cray supercomputer:
"While today's digital hardware is extremely impressive, it is
clear that the human retina's real-time performance goes
unchallenged. Actually, to simulate 10 milliseconds (one hundredth of a second) of the complete processing of even a
single nerve cell from the retina would require the solution of
about 500 simultaneous nonlinear differential equations 100 times and would take at least several minutes of processing time on a Cray supercomputer. Keeping in mind that there are 10 million or more such cells interacting with each other in complex ways, it would take a minimum of 100 years of Cray time to simulate what takes place in your eye many times every second."
If a supercomputer is obviously the product of intelligent design,
how much more obviously is the eye a product of intelligent design? And yet, evolutionists are dead certain that the human eye (and everything else in nature) came into being by pure chance and the intrinsic properties of nature! Evolutionists occasionally admit that it is difficult for even them to believe such a thing.
thunderbolt,
I think it is great you are devoted to your religion. Don't let anyone sway you from your beliefs. However, keep in mind that other people have the right to believe what they choose to believe as well.
We should grant people the freedoms that we would want them to grant to our own selves.
I think it is great you are devoted to your religion. Don't let anyone sway you from your beliefs. However, keep in mind that other people have the right to believe what they choose to believe as well.
We should grant people the freedoms that we would want them to grant to our own selves.
Evolutionists rarely attempt to calculate the probability of chance
occurrence in their imagined evolutionary scenarios. While there is no way to measure the probability of chance occurrence of something as complex as the eye, there are ways to calculate the probability of the chance occurrence of individual protein molecules that are essential to life. Over a thousand different kinds of proteins have been identified in the human body, and each has a unique chemical composition necessary for its own particular function.
Proteins are polymers, whose chemical composition depends on the arrangement of many smaller subunits called amino acids. There are 20 different kinds of amino acids that are used to construct the proteins of all living organisms, including man. These amino acids are linked together end-to-end (like a string of beads) to form a single protein macromolecule. The average protein consists of a string of 500 amino acids. The total number of combinations of 20 different amino acids in such a string is, for all practical purposes, unlimited. Each protein in our body, however, must contain a specific sequence of amino acids if it is to function properly. It is the task of the genetic system in our cells to organize the assembly of the amino acids into precisely the right sequence for each protein.
Proteins have been called _informational_ macromolecules because their amino acid sequence spells out information, in much the same way as the letters of the alphabet can be arranged to form a sentence or paragraph. We can appreciate the improbability of randomly assembling one of the essential proteins of life by considering the probability of randomly assembling the letters of the alphabet to form even a simple
phrase in English.
Imagine if we were to try to spell out the 23 letters and spaces in
the phrase "THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION" by using the evolutionary principle of _chance_. We might proceed by randomly drawing characters from a Scrabble set consisting of the 26 letters of the alphabet plus a space (for a total of 27). The probability of getting any particular letter or space in our phrase using this method would be one chance out of 27(expressed as 1/27). The probability of getting all 23 letters and
spaces in the order required for our phrase can be calculated by
multiplying together the probability of getting each letter and space (1/27 x 1/27 x 1/27 -- for a total of 23 times). This calculation reveals that we could expect to succeed in correctly spelling our phrase by chance, approximately _once_ in eight hundred, million, trillion, trillion draws! If we were to hurry the process along and draw our letters at the rate of a billion per second, we could expect to spellour simple little phrase once in 26 thousand, trillion years! But even this is a "virtual certainty" compared to the probability of correctly assembling any one of the known biological proteins by chance! So, have any of you evolutionists ever pondered that? There's no way...It's high time people really look at the truth.
occurrence in their imagined evolutionary scenarios. While there is no way to measure the probability of chance occurrence of something as complex as the eye, there are ways to calculate the probability of the chance occurrence of individual protein molecules that are essential to life. Over a thousand different kinds of proteins have been identified in the human body, and each has a unique chemical composition necessary for its own particular function.
Proteins are polymers, whose chemical composition depends on the arrangement of many smaller subunits called amino acids. There are 20 different kinds of amino acids that are used to construct the proteins of all living organisms, including man. These amino acids are linked together end-to-end (like a string of beads) to form a single protein macromolecule. The average protein consists of a string of 500 amino acids. The total number of combinations of 20 different amino acids in such a string is, for all practical purposes, unlimited. Each protein in our body, however, must contain a specific sequence of amino acids if it is to function properly. It is the task of the genetic system in our cells to organize the assembly of the amino acids into precisely the right sequence for each protein.
Proteins have been called _informational_ macromolecules because their amino acid sequence spells out information, in much the same way as the letters of the alphabet can be arranged to form a sentence or paragraph. We can appreciate the improbability of randomly assembling one of the essential proteins of life by considering the probability of randomly assembling the letters of the alphabet to form even a simple
phrase in English.
Imagine if we were to try to spell out the 23 letters and spaces in
the phrase "THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION" by using the evolutionary principle of _chance_. We might proceed by randomly drawing characters from a Scrabble set consisting of the 26 letters of the alphabet plus a space (for a total of 27). The probability of getting any particular letter or space in our phrase using this method would be one chance out of 27(expressed as 1/27). The probability of getting all 23 letters and
spaces in the order required for our phrase can be calculated by
multiplying together the probability of getting each letter and space (1/27 x 1/27 x 1/27 -- for a total of 23 times). This calculation reveals that we could expect to succeed in correctly spelling our phrase by chance, approximately _once_ in eight hundred, million, trillion, trillion draws! If we were to hurry the process along and draw our letters at the rate of a billion per second, we could expect to spellour simple little phrase once in 26 thousand, trillion years! But even this is a "virtual certainty" compared to the probability of correctly assembling any one of the known biological proteins by chance! So, have any of you evolutionists ever pondered that? There's no way...It's high time people really look at the truth.
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