Regarding the Existence or Absence of God

thunderbolt · Sep 17, 2002

Originally posted by daniel_m

Totally wrong.

To be scientific, a hypothesis needs to be falsifiable, at least in theory. How could evolution be falsified? Many ways. Here's one that even your simple brain should understand: if fossils of man were dug up from the period we estimate dinosaurs lived in, that would totally falsify evolution theory.

Charles Darwin himself called evolution "this grand view of life."
Now such grandiloquent terms as these are not scientific terms! One does not call the law of gravity, for example, "a satisfactory faith," nor speak of the laws of thermodynamics as "dogma." Evolution is, indeed, a grand world view, but it is _not_ science. Its very comprehensiveness makes it impossible even to test scientifically.

daniel_m · Sep 17, 2002

keep beating around the bush 'dolt, it's pretty much all you fundamentalist schumks are good at.

Either put up some rational argument, or shut up. Wait a minute, you have none. Why doesn't that surprise me.

thunderbolt · Sep 17, 2002

I'm working on evolution right now. Catholicism and other false teachings are next. Hang around, you'll be amazed.

daniel_m · Sep 17, 2002

thunderdolt, i am already amazed at the lengths you'll go to try and save a lost cause.

until such time as you are willing to acknowledge the problems with your points of view - they are NUMEROUS! - i doubt anyone is really willing to bother with what you have to say.

If you would like to, my invitation is still open to engage me in a formal debate.

That is the only way you'll get anyone to pay any serious attention to you; and given your record, it may even be too late for that.

thunderbolt · Sep 17, 2002

In view of the fundamentally religious nature of evolution, it is not
surprising to find that most world religions are themselves based
on evolution. It is certainly unfitting for educators to object to
teaching scientific creationism in public schools on the ground that it supports Biblical Christianity when the existing pervasive teaching of evolution is supporting a host of other religions and philosophies.

daniel_m · Sep 17, 2002

Thunderbolt!!! Can you READ???

Why do you ignore me? Is because you're scared i'll totallydestroy you in a formal debate?

WHy do you ignore me????

WHY?????????????????

IS YOUR POSITION TRULY SO WEAK IT WILL NOT STAND UP IN DEBATE????????

WHY DO YOU BOTHER BELIEVING IT THEN??????/

thunderbolt · Sep 17, 2002

Originally posted by daniel_m
thunderdolt, i am already amazed at the lengths you'll go to try and save a lost cause.

until such time as you are willing to acknowledge the problems with your points of view - they are NUMEROUS! - i doubt anyone is really willing to bother with what you have to say.

If you would like to, my invitation is still open to engage me in a formal debate.

That is the only way you'll get anyone to pay any serious attention to you; and given your record, it may even be too late for that.

Daniel,

I'm not going to diddle with your logic--illogic rather. I've asked many things on this thread to be answered. No one replied. You will answer a question with a question. I point out very obvious things that you choose to ignore. Let's face it, you are in the minority--atheism.

daniel_m · Sep 17, 2002

Originally posted by thunderbolt
It is certainly unfitting for educators to object to
teaching scientific creationism in public schools on the ground

creationism is in no way, shape or form even remotely associated with science.

daniel_m · Sep 17, 2002

Originally posted by thunderbolt

Daniel,

I'm not going to diddle with your logic--illogic rather. I've asked many things on this thread to be answered. No one replied. You will answer a question with a question. I point out very obvious things that you choose to ignore. Let's face it, you are in the minority--atheism.

other way around buddy....i have answers for EVERYTHING you spin

YOU on the other hand resort to ducking and dogding and evading....

trust me, if we were to have a vote right now on who has put up ARGUMENT, not just unsubstaniated claims, i would win hands down

thunderbolt · Sep 17, 2002

The concept of evolution did not originate with Charles Darwin. It
has been the essential ingredient of all pagan religions and
philosophies from time immemorial (e.g., atomism, pantheism, stoicism, gnosticism and all other humanistic and polytheistic systems). All beliefs which assume the ultimacy of the space/time/matter universe, presupposing that the universe has existed from eternity, are fundamentally evolutionary systems. The cosmos, with its innate laws and forces, is the only ultimate reality. Depending on the sophistication of the system, the forces of the universe may be personified as gods and goddesses who organized the eternal chaotic cosmos into its present form
(as in ancient Babylonian and Egyptian religions), or else may
themselves be invested with organizing capabilities (as in modern
scientific evolutionism). In all such cases, these are merely different varieties of the fundamental evolutionist world view, the essential feature of which is the denial that there is one true God and Creator of all things.