And that's why you're in your present condition.
Regarding the Existence or Absence of God
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And that's why you're in your present condition.
rs7You can be "commanded" to love God, but you can't be "forced". That is because mortal man was given FREE WILL. The will to CHOOSE his path. The bible only serves to educate people about Christianity, but individuals can choose to follow its teachings or ignore them.
Daniel_m, it seems that you enjoy playing word games and creating "self-contradictory" situations that you believe can disprove the existence of an omnipotent being. What you don't realize is that your feeble mind cannot comprehend a being more powerful than your philosophical puzzles.
Can God create a stone that he cannot lift? YES and NO. You see, God is not confined by conventional laws of physics, philosophy or grammar. He exists outside of the human realm of experience. Your mundane attempts to disprove His existence are pathetically weak. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!
dan,
thanks for the response. all men are not born the same, i am surprised that you would think otherwise. we all are born with different abilities, propensities, and natural tendencies. an example of additional "innate knowledge" is the fact that some people "know" they do not want to be a wage slave starting ventures such as trading, business, etc. others do not have this "knowledge". sorry i don't know where this innate knowledge comes from--genetic ?? possible. it is also possible that everyone has the knowledge but in some it is surpressed for whatever reason.
best,
surf
thanks for the response. all men are not born the same, i am surprised that you would think otherwise. we all are born with different abilities, propensities, and natural tendencies. an example of additional "innate knowledge" is the fact that some people "know" they do not want to be a wage slave starting ventures such as trading, business, etc. others do not have this "knowledge". sorry i don't know where this innate knowledge comes from--genetic ?? possible. it is also possible that everyone has the knowledge but in some it is surpressed for whatever reason.
best,
surf
Here we go AGAIN.
Even MORE circular reasoning.
Goldenarm, can you identify the fallacious
circular reasoning in your post which makes
it completely invalid?
Your critical thinking professor in college would
have FAILED you, if he caught you making
such weak fallacious arguments.
peace
axeman
Even MORE circular reasoning.
Goldenarm, can you identify the fallacious
circular reasoning in your post which makes
it completely invalid?
Your critical thinking professor in college would
have FAILED you, if he caught you making
such weak fallacious arguments.
peace
axeman
Lets, once again, make it real clear why this line
of anti-reasoning is worthless, shall we?
<SARCASM ON>
Goldenarm, it seems that you enjoy playing word games and creating "self-contradictory" situations that you believe can disprove the existence of an omnipotent being. What you don't realize is that your feeble mind cannot comprehend a being more powerful than your philosophical puzzles.
Can ZORNOPH create a stone that he cannot lift? YES and NO. You see, ZORNOPH is not confined by conventional laws of physics, philosophy or grammar. He exists outside of the human realm of experience. Your mundane attempts to disprove His existence are pathetically weak. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!
<SARCASM OFF>
You see.... Goldenarm fails to realize that logic and reason
DONT apply to ZORNOPH. Since he exists *OUTSIDE* of pathetic
human reasoning, you cant possibly disprove him.
THEREFORE Goldenarm should IMMEDIATELY start
worshiping ZORNOPH instead of that pathetic little christ dude.
Right Goldenarm? RIGHT?
HINT: YOU MUST FIRST PROVE THE EXISTENCE OF YOUR
GOD ***BEFORE*** ASSOCIATING ATTRIBUTES TO HIM
THAT MAKE HIM IMMUNE TO HUMAN LOGIC AND REASONING,
WHICH SUPPORT HIS EXISTENCE, ***OTHERWISE*** YOU
ARE USING CIRCULAR REASONING.
Why dont you people understand this simple concept? WHY?
peace
axeman
of anti-reasoning is worthless, shall we?
<SARCASM ON>
Goldenarm, it seems that you enjoy playing word games and creating "self-contradictory" situations that you believe can disprove the existence of an omnipotent being. What you don't realize is that your feeble mind cannot comprehend a being more powerful than your philosophical puzzles.
Can ZORNOPH create a stone that he cannot lift? YES and NO. You see, ZORNOPH is not confined by conventional laws of physics, philosophy or grammar. He exists outside of the human realm of experience. Your mundane attempts to disprove His existence are pathetically weak. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!
<SARCASM OFF>
You see.... Goldenarm fails to realize that logic and reason
DONT apply to ZORNOPH. Since he exists *OUTSIDE* of pathetic
human reasoning, you cant possibly disprove him.
THEREFORE Goldenarm should IMMEDIATELY start
worshiping ZORNOPH instead of that pathetic little christ dude.
Right Goldenarm? RIGHT?
HINT: YOU MUST FIRST PROVE THE EXISTENCE OF YOUR
GOD ***BEFORE*** ASSOCIATING ATTRIBUTES TO HIM
THAT MAKE HIM IMMUNE TO HUMAN LOGIC AND REASONING,
WHICH SUPPORT HIS EXISTENCE, ***OTHERWISE*** YOU
ARE USING CIRCULAR REASONING.
Why dont you people understand this simple concept? WHY?
peace
axeman
Nothing about my post is invalid. God is omnipotent. Can He create a stone that he cannot lift? YES, but this is a temporary condition and He can choose to undo it if He so desires. Or you can say NO because nothing is outside His power. Therefore, the answer is YES and NO depending on your point of view. Simple as pie!
It's like saying, is the glass half empty or half full? The answer is BOTH, depending on your point of view. By the way, I got an A+ in philosophy at Stanford.
You gotta be kidding right?
Let see if Im following you here.
1) I challenge god to create a stone he cant lift
2) God creates a stone he cant lift
3) I challenge god to lift said stone
4) God lifts stone
Therefore: GOD FAILED TO CREATE A STONE HE CANT LIFT!
HE IS NOT OMNIPOTENT
Scenario 2
1) I challenge god to create a stone he cant lift
2) God creates the stone
3) I challenge god to lift said stone
4) God cant lift stone
Therefore: GOD FAILED TO LIFT STONE
HE IS NOT OMNIPOTENT
The funny part --> "YES, but this is a temporary condition "
TOO FUNNY!
I see... so your saying, I should only apply my rules in a short
time frame and this doesnt invalidate the longer time frame?
Hehehe... ok, lets go along with that WEAK line of thought.
I'll reword my question.
*** Can god create a stone so heavy that he will NEVER EVER
EVER EVER EVER be able to lift it?
How about it goldenarm?
peace
axeman
Let see if Im following you here.
1) I challenge god to create a stone he cant lift
2) God creates a stone he cant lift
3) I challenge god to lift said stone
4) God lifts stone
Therefore: GOD FAILED TO CREATE A STONE HE CANT LIFT!
HE IS NOT OMNIPOTENT
Scenario 2
1) I challenge god to create a stone he cant lift
2) God creates the stone
3) I challenge god to lift said stone
4) God cant lift stone
Therefore: GOD FAILED TO LIFT STONE
HE IS NOT OMNIPOTENT
The funny part --> "YES, but this is a temporary condition "
TOO FUNNY!
I see... so your saying, I should only apply my rules in a short
time frame and this doesnt invalidate the longer time frame?
Hehehe... ok, lets go along with that WEAK line of thought.
I'll reword my question.
*** Can god create a stone so heavy that he will NEVER EVER
EVER EVER EVER be able to lift it?
How about it goldenarm?
peace
axeman
I love them apples, because now your god is screwed.
Here is the proof.
1) I challenge god to create a rock he can NEVER EVER lift
2) God creates the rock
3) I ask god to lift the rock
4) god fails to lift the rock
THEREFORE: Since there exists something god
is NOT capable of doing, he is NOT omnipotent.
HERE is an even BETTER example
1) I challenge god to create a rock he can NEVER EVER lift,
but which AXEMAN *can* lift
2) God creates the rock
3) I ask god to lift the rock
4) god fails to lift the rock
5) *I* lift the rock
Therefore: I am MORE powerful than god (in at least ONE respect).
There ya go.... proof your god is a logical contradiction.
Still think your god can be omnipotent?
If so, WHY? I challenge you to show the
error in my logic.
peace
axeman
Here is the proof.
1) I challenge god to create a rock he can NEVER EVER lift
2) God creates the rock
3) I ask god to lift the rock
4) god fails to lift the rock
THEREFORE: Since there exists something god
is NOT capable of doing, he is NOT omnipotent.
HERE is an even BETTER example
1) I challenge god to create a rock he can NEVER EVER lift,
but which AXEMAN *can* lift
2) God creates the rock
3) I ask god to lift the rock
4) god fails to lift the rock
5) *I* lift the rock
Therefore: I am MORE powerful than god (in at least ONE respect).
There ya go.... proof your god is a logical contradiction.
Still think your god can be omnipotent?
If so, WHY? I challenge you to show the
error in my logic.
peace
axeman
Originally posted by goldenarm
The answer is NO, because he IS omnipotent. How do you like dem apples?
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