Regarding the Existence or Absence of God

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Originally posted by I Missed Boat


You are measuring most everything against the bible and "Christianity," which is not what I (or most people here I think) are using as the basis for our arguments.
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my main gripe is with christianity, yes..i make no secret of that...

however i think the idea of a generic "god" is just as irrational (perhaps even more so), and am prepared to formally debate that also..
 
Originally posted by Gordon Gekko

FACT: we ALL came from ape-like animals. period.

before someone refutes this with their religious argument, UNDERSTAND THIS POINT:

there is an ABUNDANCE of evidence suggesting my position. on planet earth, we use scientific methods to establish fact from fiction. at the current moment, evolution is supported by overwhelming evidence. just because you insist on believing the bible, it DOES NOT mean evolution is incorrect - YOU'RE INCORRECT.

the bible's stance IS NOT supported by evidence. when you weigh evolution vs. adam & eve nonsense, the SCALE GOES OFF THE HOOK in favor of evolution. evolution is fact, the bible is fiction.

i don't expect you all to accept evolution right away. whenever there is a new discovery, a minority believes it, then over time, it spreads to the majority. in a few hundred years you bible people will be laughed at like the former believers of the greek gods. people like me are the pioneers of this issue. you all are just late to the party. just like buying the top of a rally.....the smart guys were in a long time ago.
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gordon, my friend, i am just being entertained...:)

i think all of you are are dancing around the real point however: there are believers and knowers and the gift to discern between...:)
 
Originally posted by daniel_m
IMissed THe Boat

the main point is "what should man believe"? you can call it all semantics, you can bemoan our pitiful 5 senses and all the other shit you talk...at the end of the day man has a choice...

what should man believe?

that is really what is at the heart of the debate..

look, rather than posting all this.. just join me and aphie in our debate, i will be happy to take on all comers...let's just keep the arguments succinct and civil ...

so, define for me whether or not we will be using "God" and "Creator" synonymously...and i'll post my opening argument on whatever people here agree the topic should be..
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No problem, except you want to argue against the proposition that God MUST exist. True, you are willing to argue the complete opposite that God DOES NOT exist. But I am not interested in arguing either one. All I am ready to argue is that God COULD exist. And sure, God, omnipotent being and creator will all be synonymous. By the way, how can it be "more ridiculous" for someone to believe in (or not disbelieve in the possibility of) an omnipotent being than in a God of the bible that behaves and seems almost human like?
 
Originally posted by Mr_F
gordon, my friend, i am just being entertained...:)

i think all of you are are dancing around the real point however: there are believers and knowers and the gift to discern between...:)
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hey, no prob Mr_F! i have no problems with anyone here. yes, i feel strongly about my opinions on this subject, but it doesn't cause me to hold grudges with any of you.
 
Daniel,

I'll go out on a limb here and say that, "A creator MUST exist." Now, using "God" would imply too much -- so we'll just say that yeah, God / Creator are interchangable, but I'm not referring to Christianity or Judaism.

So, I debate with you that a creator must exist. Do you accept this debate?
 
Originally posted by I Missed Boat


No problem, except you want to argue against the proposition that God MUST exist. True, you are willing to argue the complete opposite that God DOES NOT exist. But I am not interested in arguing either one. All I am ready to argue is that God COULD exist. And sure, God, omnipotent being and creator will all be synonymous. By the way, how can it be "more ridiculous" for someone to believe in (or not disbelieve in the possibility of) an omnipotent being than in a God of the bible that behaves and seems almost human like?
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okay, i'll argue whether or not God COULD exist.. not my fave, but i'll settle..

as for how it can be more irrational? i'm sure i'll bring that up in my formal debate. :)

okay, i'll post an opening argument tomorrow on whether God COULD exist...i'f i'm to take the affirmative, i'll have to post it as "God Cannot Exist" ie, the there is no possibility that God coud exist.. okay? i'llpost it tomorrow


i really would prefer to keep this succinct and civil as possible...so please, if you wanna slam me, do it on this thread, if you wanna offer an intelligent and argumentative rebuttal of my arguments, do it on the debate thread..

EDIT - aphie wants me to do God MUST exist...look, MY argument handles both points of view....aphie, you show how me how god MUST exist as part of your rebuttal
 
Originally posted by Gordon Gekko

hey, no prob Mr_F! i have no problems with anyone here. yes, i feel strongly about my opinions on this subject, but it doesn't cause me to hold grudges with any of you.
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hey gordon, a point for your side, i see evolution at work in the ranks of daytraders (namely myself)...i am only surviving by a fingernail...waiting for final approval from ib to begin daytrading es and nq because of the pdt rule....:)
 
Just want to point out that attempting to argue
a "could exist" is meaningless without your opponent
starting with a VERY PRECISE definition of god.

Example: Could 5 headed, glowing, unicorns exist on mars?
Answer: of course

Example: Is it possible that at one time a giant Elvis Presely
was floating in space and took a big shit and the universe
came into existence?
Answer: yup

Is any of this likely?
NO!!!!

Is there any evidence to support this?
NO!!!!


Could god exist?
YES

Is it likely? Is there any reason to believe this true?
NOPE, NOPE. Just as arbitrary.

Nothing here to debate really, unless someone starts
with a VERY PRECISE definition of god.

Then, such a being can rationally be discussed.

peace


axeman



Originally posted by daniel_m


okay, i'll argue whether or not God COULD exist.. not my fave, but i'll settle..

as for how it can be more irrational? i'm sure i'll bring that up in my formal debate. :)

okay, i'll post an opening argument tomorrow on whether God COULD exist...i'f i'm to take the affirmative, i'll have to post it as "God Cannot Exist" ie, the there is no possibility that God coud exist.. okay? i'llpost it tomorrow


i really would prefer to keep this succinct and civil as possible...so please, if you wanna slam me, do it on this thread, if you wanna offer an intelligent and argumentative rebuttal of my arguments, do it on the debate thread..

EDIT - aphie wants me to do God MUST exist...look, MY argument handles both points of view....aphie, you show how me how god MUST exist as part of your rebuttal
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Originally posted by Mr_F
waiting for final approval from ib to begin daytrading es and nq because of the pdt rule....:)
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it is SUCH a bad rule. how about we let america vote on that one and let us decide if we like it or not? that sh!t would be gone in an instant. it is flat out nothing but a barrier for the less capitalized. what country are we living in here?? we should be picketing outside of the sec. they deserve a black eye for this (literally and figuratively).

good luck Mr_F
 
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