Regarding the Existence or Absence of God

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Originally posted by aphexcoil
daniel_m,

Since when does pain = evil? Pail is a good indicator that you are very much alive. I have suffered both extreme physical and emotional pain. I've had a tooth pulled without novacaine, found out a long-term girlfriend was cheating on me with my best-friend, stood at the bedside of my father telling me, after his heart-attack, that I would have to be the man of the house at 15 years of age (he survived).

During the time periods they occured, the pain felt unbearable and unavoidable. If it was emotional, I wanted to run away but there was no where to flee to. If it was physical, I wanted to grab the dentist by his throat and curse at him.

In retrospect, every painful experience in my life turned out to be a positive growing experience. I wouldn't change any of those painful moments -- I am more of a man because of them.

Without pain, we have no contrast to pleasure. Funny how people so easily blame a god for pain but fail to neglect how the pain evolves them as a person -- all the while forgetting the immense pleasure that comes from being alive.

How often do you feel pain vs. pleasure? Seems to me like pain is but a small price to pay for such enormous pleasure of being alive.

Pain exists because, without it, learning would probably take much longer -- if it ever happened at all.

It is through pain that you are probably a better trader -- so don't compare pain to evil -- they are not one in the same.
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Excellent post!:D
 
Originally posted by thunderbolt


"Made in his image" means we are given the ability to distinguish right from wrong and to choose--free will, pal. It's up to you.
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you are seriously effed up in the head beyond all recognition..

read this very slowly....

Man has free will .....means.....that god.....does not...know everything!

how can you argue against that???????

IF god knows everything.....he knows what i am going to do next....doesn't he......
if he knows what i am going to do next, THEN I DON'T HAVE FREE WILL DO I!!!!! WHAT I DO IS PRE-ORDAINED!

HOWEVER - if i DO have free will....it means god does NOT know EVERYTHING....because if he knew EVERYTHING...he would know what I am gonna do next.....(in which case i wouldn't have free will)

sorry dude, you can't have your cake and eat it too....

you lose
 
Faster, were you talking to ME with that post?

(are you purposely tryin to get this thread killed again? take some medication buddy,,...i know dunderbolt is frustrating to talk to because he seems to lack even the most basic conceptualisation skills, but try and keep it at least mildly civil..)
 
And Daniels post was #666 in this thread!

I am sure that faster was not addressing you Dan. He just can't keep track sometimes. Not his fault. Medications are confusing to keep track of.
 
daniel_m,

Any god that can take an atom and give flavor to a can of soda and use that very same atom to give you consciousness is so far removed from simple human discussions, that to debate his existence or lack thereof is simply idle chit-chat from an organism that hasn't even begun to grasp the true complexity of this universe.

It would be synonymous to a bunch of ants getting together to discuss why *we* exist -- they don't have a consciousness able to envelope even a minute fraction of the variables necessary to arrange a good topic of discussion.

I assure you, that there is a pattern to things and that something exists beyond our reasoning abilities. Humans can't accept the fact that they won't always be able to grasp everything -- but that's what makes us so beautiful.

We remain intelligent enough to probe the universe from the micro to the macro, yet we remain ignorant enough to keep the glamour of the mystery alive.
 
aphie...you are rookie in these matters

don't you think i've heard and dealth with a million chumps like you that try and tell me we can't talk about god? you are philosophical neophyte...whose #of posts : thinking ratio is way too high...

rather than just come an invade ET and drown us all with your opinions...why not try reasoning with yourself a little...i'm sure you'll quickly realise just how little you actually know..
 
Originally posted by daniel_m


you are seriously effed up in the head beyond all recognition..

read this very slowly....

Man has free will .....means.....that god.....does not...know everything!

how can you argue against that???????

IF god knows everything.....he knows what i am going to do next....doesn't he......
if he knows what i am going to do next, THEN I DON'T HAVE FREE WILL DO I!!!!! WHAT I DO IS PRE-ORDAINED!

HOWEVER - if i DO have free will....it means god does NOT know EVERYTHING....because if he knew EVERYTHING...he would know what I am gonna do next.....(in which case i wouldn't have free will)

sorry dude, you can't have your cake and eat it too....

you lose
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You do indeed make a good point. I have never claimed that God knows what decisions we will make in life. Right or wrong? Good or evil? Denial or acceptance? But I do know he knows that he is the "most high God" and his power will ultimately reign supreme when it is all said and done. You can choose Satan(doomed) or God(the most high).
 
OKAY!

now we are getting somewhere. we have established that God doesn't know EVERYTHING, right?

thank you.

(I'd also like to point out, that not only does god not know what I will do next, he also doesn't know what the other 6 billion people in this world will do next (not to mention all the other life forms..)

we could quite conceivably therefore say that god hasn't got a damn clue as to what is going on! :))

thunderbolt, you DO NOT "know" that god is "most high"...it's just your opinion...an opinion that rests on a completely fraudulent document - the bible - and your own hopes and fears...

maybe one day you will wake and realise what huge joke christianity is (i did) and your whole life won't have been such a waste..
of course, i really doubt that you actually will, cos just like every other christian that doesn't want to face facts about their religion, it is FEAR OF RETRIBUTION that is holding you back..
 
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