Regarding the Existence or Absence of God

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Originally posted by TriPack


Good one Nitro. What's the atheist's version of hell like where all the believers go?
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But I am not an atheist - I think?

Can I believe in GOD but not the Biblical God and still not be an atheist?

nitro :confused:
 
Originally posted by darkhorse



you are a fool
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Matthew 5:22

Does this mean you will be spending a bit of time alone? :p

Edit: looks like Daniel beat me to it. LOL, the atheist wins the scripture chase. :)
 
Originally posted by nitro

But I am not an atheist - I think?

Can I believe in GOD but not the Biblical God and still not be an atheist?

nitro :confused:
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Yeah just thought that the irony in your post was funny about how you'll be eternally punished for believing, and was wondering out loud where that punishment might take place. No matter how you capitalize your deity, it sounds like you're neither an atheist nor a Christian.
 
Originally posted by thunderbolt
>>you are a fool<<

Yes indeed. The bible speaks of the fools and it applies to all in here.
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look thunder, get this thru your head --the bible is not proof of god's existence. let's get this straight once and for all. if anything the bible is a great literary work but not proof of anything except perhaps evidence of man's angst about death, the unknown and the unknowable. :-/
 
Also, somebody in here claimed that I was the hardest to deal with. Thanks!:D I pride myself in my firm commitments in life--AND BEYOND.....JESUS IS STILL ALIVE TODAY...."LOW, I WILL ALWAYS BE WITH YOU, EVEN UNTO THE END OF THE WORLD".....That statement was made as JESUS was ascending from earth to heaven. My friends, there is good news. The living Christ can enter your life and you will be forever changed. He came so that we might live more abundantly. Seek, and ye shall find. Good luck! :p
 
Originally posted by darkhorse




i have got to get my stuff done...but these softballs are too tempting...just one more....you have even less understanding of that passage than the Milton Friedman quote.

You are betraying the depth of your ignorance with every additional criticism! YES i know about that passage, NO i do not think that passage is literal, YES i think there is a clear distinction between factual language and allegorical/parable language, both types of which are used in these posts with no problem of distinction on the part of the readers, and NO you do not understand what you are talking about once again because I interpret that passage in a way that is wholly alien to you. YES this is my private distinction, but we are talking about what I think here and YOU do not seem to grasp basic points re the inaccessibility and diversity of opinion on many things.

You keep trying to bait me Dan but you are out of your league. You throw me this little worm on a hook as if I were a baby trout. I am not. These waters are DEEP, man. You DON'T know what you are talking about, at least not when you try to pin me with it. You may have your criticisms of some other group down pat and you may have some other guy's views nailed to the wall, but you can't even begin to know what I think or believe. I tried very hard to convey this to you but you dismissed it out of hand.
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It....is....not....simple....it....is....complex....most....of....your
...surface....level...assumptions....are....shallow....and...not
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How can i say it any more clearly?

You desperately want to prove me wrong, yet you don't understand and don't know my heart and mind. Every time you challenge me you prove that even further by unveiling another false assumption on your part.

You don't know why I believe what I do, you don't know the specifics of what I believe or why, and I can't TELL you all those things in a HANDFUL of posts.

Maybe if i spoke in Chinese you would understand me better.

Swahili?

Latvian Orthodox?
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dan, you got a big fish on the line here with dark (you think you can boat'im? lol)

GET THE NET READY DAN.... I'M GONNA REEL THIS BABY IN!! :-D




dark, in all seriousness (and i promise a serious discussion here) I WANT TO BELIEVE but i can't. i can't get my meager mental resources around this to believe as you do. this god factor is a glorious notion, i wish it true, i want it to be true!

your posts are great (at least they appear to have substance) but i can't understand most of it. i will go back later today a re-read just because you have piqued my interest with the links you've provided.

BUT can you give us something compelling that a man of average intelligence can comprehend? but what you give has to be rational and have a tangible baisis.

lead the way for us dark, show us the light. i want to believe! :-/
 
Originally posted by thunderbolt
look faster, an unbeliever is a like a wave in the sea, being tossed to and fro and should expect nothing from the lord.
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i am an unbeliever, but god made me this way didn't "he"? "he" gave me a mind and the free will to use it. "he" gave me 'reason' ostensibly to use... and i am using it. this 'gift of reason' tells me it's all BS. so is this my fault that when i use these gifts i come to these conclusions? i don't think so.
 
>>i am an unbeliever, but god made me this way didn't "he"? <<

He did indeed make you, but you have allowed yourself to get into your present condition--you have free will. Don't blame God for your denial of his existence. If you believed and obeyed, then you would see what God is all about. Until then, you will be like that wave in the sea.
 
Originally posted by thunderbolt
>>i am an unbeliever, but god made me this way didn't "he"? <<

He did indeed make you, but you have allowed yourself to get into your present condition--you have free will.
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Thunderbolt,

Do you realise what the implications of man having free will are?
It means that your God cannot be all-knowing, as you claim he is.
If God is all-knowing, it means he knows exactly what I am going to do next - that is totally incompatible with the concept of free will! If God knows what I'm gonna do in my life, it means I am nothing but a mindless robot. In which case, why does God even bother sending Jesus to save us - he already knows what we are going to do! It means he basically created me, knew I what I would do (reject him) and then throws me into hell for it!

You have totally evaded any of the accusations against your God thus far, but surely even you cannot fail to see that free will and an all-knowing God cannot possibly co-exist!
 
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