Regarding the Existence or Absence of God

[axeman]

"You know that I can defend my position, and you know I have done so elsewhere on this board. "

No we dont know. Ive never seen it.


"For you to continually demand 'evidence' from me is little more than taunting, for reasons I have cited and given credence to."

He wouldnt do this if you didnt CONTINUALLY taunt
us by claiming to have this wonderful "secret"
evidence that would destroy antheist arguements.
Your just asking for it.

Stop pretending to have a strong postion and prove it,
or stop making assertions that you simply cannot back up

All I see are COP OUTS.

peace

axeman

 

[darkhorse]

Originally posted by axeman

I think its funny that YOU think its funny.
You havent made any progess with your weak
position whatsoever.

Still asking... WHERE'S THE BEEF DARK???

my point was that 'the beef' cannot be put on a message board in a way that will satisfy you, which i tried to illustrate in straightforward terms.

bask in it boys! you double dog dared me to do something impossible and i said no. bully for you. that's great. i am happy to present you with a feeling of superficial superiority, my compliments.

 

[darkhorse]

Originally posted by axeman

Stop pretending to have a strong postion and prove it,
or stop making assertions that you simply cannot back up

All I see are COP OUTS.

read my lips: I do not care what you think

especially when you don't seem to understand what I think.


bye bye

 

[axeman]

Dark,

You didnt even TRY!

"my point was that 'the beef' cannot be put on a message board in a way that will satisfy you, which i tried to illustrate in straightforward terms. "


And with that final EXCUSE, I think Mr Dark has officially
conceded this debate.

peace

axeman

Originally posted by darkhorse



my point was that 'the beef' cannot be put on a message board in a way that will satisfy you, which i tried to illustrate in straightforward terms.

bask in it boys! you double dog dared me to do something impossible and i said no. bully for you. that's great. i am happy to present you with a feeling of superficial superiority, my compliments.

 

[darkhorse]

Originally posted by axeman


And with that final EXCUSE, I think Mr Dark has officially
conceded this debate.

hey, we can finally agree on something!

what a nice way to finish out this little tea party.

 

[nitro]

Originally posted by daniel_m



Nitro, I understand you believe in a God, but not in Christianity, right? (I've been there). The thing is, whilst your position is not nearly as harmful as traditional Christianity, it is just as illogical and irrational.
If not the bible, from where did you get your concept of God? Have you met him? Can you even define him?
It is my understanding that the existance of black holes was predicted by mathematical models of the universe long before we had proof of them. By what reasoning, from which model of the universe, did you deduce that, although we might not currently be able to detect him, such a being MUST necessarily exist.

Compared to christianity - which has been and still is - positively harmful, and deserves all the vicious attacks it gets, the agnostic position is largely a philosophical matter. As such, it is my position that no rational arguments for a supernatural being can possibly be made because, by definition, a supernatural being is beyond the natural universe and thus beyond the only conext of which the concept of understanding is even possible.

Furthermore, even if by some brilliant argument the existance of a intelligible supernatural being is made possible (and I've heard some pretty damn good arguments - all of which have been refuted), there is absolutely no reason at all for anyone to assume that such a being is the God of christianity. No reason at all. They are two entirely different mattters. Such a being may be Allah - who endorses the Koran; maybe Shiva; Zeus; Ra; or any other of the thousand gods man has invented, or he maybe none of them at all.

Huh?

Axe, you are mumbling now.

Let me give it to you so that there are no more half pages of diatribe again:

Axiom: Nitro does not belive in the Biblical God - therefore, when Nitro speaks of GOD (note I use GOD for that which I believe in, and God for the Biblical God) he must be talking about SOMETHING else - what is that? Nitro does not know because he believes that his current puny brain is incapable of DEFINING it let alone explaining it.

Now:

Theorem 1) Nitro does not believe in the biblical God.
Therorem 2) Proving the existence of GOD or _ASKING_ for EVIDENCE for the existence of GOD shows a lack of understanding of the definition above - therefore do not even suggest that Nitro belives in a supernatural being - even Nitro does not know what _FORM_ GOD takes.
Theorem 3) GOD is not invented by Nitro for any reason other than he marvels at the unbelievable beauty and subtlety of the Universe - Nitro does not debate that the Biblical God may be invented by people that are in hurt or in deep need. Nitro has ENOURMOUS sympathy for those people and will even associate his GOD with those people's God - he sees no harm in that - life is not about winning a debate when it doesn't matter.
Theorem 4) Nitro absolutely abhores people that use the Biblical God to cause other people harm, or to call people original sinners, etc. Nitro DOES NOT associate his "GOD" with that God.

Corollary - I think that you guys all assume that Thunderbolt's God is everybody's GOD - you need to understand where each comes from.


nitro

 

[Gordon Gekko]

Originally posted by darkhorse
my point was that 'the beef' cannot be put on a message board in a way that will satisfy you, which i tried to illustrate in straightforward terms.

lmao that's a good one! i find it funny einstein's theory of relativity could be put on a message board, but your "beef" cannot. ha ha ha
THIS DEBATE IS OVER

THE ATHEISTS HAVE WON

ALL RELIGION IS BULLSH!T.....I COULD BE NICE AND SAY I JUST DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT RELIGION REALLY IS NOTHING BUT ABSOLUTE TOTAL BULLSH!T. LOL

ANOTHER THING, IF YOU ARE RELIGIOUS (BELIEVING IN BIBLICAL GOD), THERE ARE ONLY 2 POSSIBLE REASONS WHY:

1) YOU'RE CONDITIONED TO BELIEVE IT AND IT'S TOO HARD FOR YOU TO REALIZE IT (THIS IS THE MOST COMMON REASON -- CHURCH AT EARLY AGE, FRIENDS AND FAMILY'S INFLUENCE, ETC.).

2) YOU ARE A TRUE IDIOT. LMAO

THE ABOVE MAY MAKE YOU MAD, BUT IT IS THE TRUE REALITY. SORRY, BUT SOMEONE'S GOTTA TELL YA!

 

[axeman]

Nitro,

You are replying to me, BUT I DIDNT WRITE THAT!! lol

peace

axeman

Originally posted by nitro

Huh?

Axe, you are mumbling now.

Let me give it to you so that there are no more half pages of diatribe again:

Axiom: Nitro does not belive in the Biblical God - therefore, when Nitro speaks of GOD (note I use GOD for that which I believe in, and God for the Biblical God) he must be talking about SOMETHING else - what is that? Nitro does not know because he believes that his current puny brain is incapable of DEFINING it let alone explaining it.

Now:

Theorem 1) Nitro does not believe in the biblical God.
Therorem 2) Proving the existence of GOD or _ASKING_ for EVIDENCE for the existence of GOD shows a lack of understanding of the definition above - therefore do not even suggest that Nitro belives in a supernatural being - even Nitro does not know what _FORM_ GOD takes.
Theorem 3) GOD is not invented by Nitro for any reason other than he marvels at the unbelievable beauty and subtlety of the Universe - Nitro does not debate that the Biblical God may be invented by people that are in hurt or in deep need. Nitro has ENOURMOUS sympathy for those people and will even associate his GOD with those people's God - he sees no harm in that - life is not about winning a debate when it doesn't matter.
Theorem 4) Nitro absolutely abhores people that use the Biblical God to cause other people harm, or to call people original sinners, etc. Nitro DOES NOT associate his "GOD" with that God.

Corollary - I think that you guys all assume that Thunderbolt's God is everybody's GOD - you need to understand where each comes from.


nitro

 

[daniel_m]

Originally posted by nitro

Huh?

Axe, you are mumbling now.

Let me give it to you so that there are no more half pages of diatribe again:

Axiom: Nitro does not belive in the Biblical God - therefore, when Nitro speaks of GOD (note I use GOD for that which I believe in, and God for the Biblical God) he must be talking about SOMETHING else - what is that? Nitro does not know because he believes that his current puny brain is incapable of DEFINING it let alone explaining it.

Now:

Theorem 1) Nitro does not believe in the biblical God.
Therorem 2) Proving the existence of GOD or _ASKING_ for EVIDENCE for the existence of GOD shows a lack of understanding of the definition above - therefore do not even suggest that Nitro belives in a supernatural being - even Nitro does not know what _FORM_ GOD takes.
Theorem 3) GOD is not invented by Nitro for any reason other than he marvels at the unbelievable beauty and subtlety of the Universe - Nitro does not debate that the Biblical God may be invented by people that are in hurt or in deep need. Nitro has ENOURMOUS sympathy for those people and will even associate his GOD with those people's God - he sees no harm in that - life is not about winning a debate when it doesn't matter.
Theorem 4) Nitro absolutely abhores people that use the Biblical God to cause other people harm, or to call people original sinners, etc. Nitro DOES NOT associate his "GOD" with that God.

Corollary - I think that you guys all assume that Thunderbolt's God is everybody's GOD - you need to understand where each comes from.


nitro

Nitro,

that was my post you were replying to, not axe's.

I'm not sure exactly what point you were trying to make with the above post. I agree with most of what you said, there is just one little thing I'd like to point out.

This "GOD" you believe in...you are agreeing that you cannot define him? You say that the only reason you believe that some kind of god exists is because you "marvel at the unbelievable beauty and subtlety of the universe"?

firstly, is the majesty of the universe sufficient reason for us to assume that there is some kind of god out there? I don't think so.

Secondly, if you agree that you cannot define your god, then don't you understand that you are maintaining a completely irrational position? To believe in something you can't define is akin to believing in nothing in particular..

This isn't really meant to be an attack, nitro, i just want to point out to you the nature of your beliefs.

 

[Gordon Gekko]

yeah.. nitro isn't too bad. the only issues i have with him are minor..if i even have any. heh