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V good...go to the gym everyday if you have the time and energy. Go intense as you can, never to failure...back off immediately if any pain or injury. There will be days in which you feel great and able to be more intense and days in which you just don't have it and you go easier on those days.
Elite athletes are born and then made. They are not just made. There is a genetic component in elite athleticism quite apart from the training required to reach that genetic potential. And so now you are suggesting that everyone should train like genetic anomalies in their physical prime who have exceptional recovery abilities, and in this particular case, CaptainObvious who said he is in his 60s? Seriously? I'm assuming you are in your 20s. Are you training in the manner that you are suggesting that the good Cap'n should?
Just so we're clear, I don't think even elite athletes in their physical prime and who have genetically superior recovery capabilities strength train 12 times a week in addition to their sports skill training. That's patently absurd. Show me the evidence.
And what does it even mean to "go intense as you can, never to failure?" And why train on days you don't yet feel you have recovered from the previous workout ("days in which you just don't have it")? Seriously, where do you get this stuff?
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I'm a certified Personal Trainer, did intensive study for almost a year and then a rather horrendous written exam (which lasted for a day!) at the end, which i passed last month (May). What's your qualification? The ability to read misleading stuff on the internet?
Research shows the more advanced you become, the more frequent your workouts should be. The optimal is 12 in a week e.g. 2 sessions a day for 6 days, 1 day rest. Whether any given elite athlete does this, well that's up to them. Do you think Usain Bolt just practices sprinting all day long? He's in the gym strength training for hours a day!
The advice to the Captain is clear. He enjoys working out and has the time and energy to do so. So why shouldn't he train every day? He just needs to follow a program which he can manage. So what if he is in his 60's? Arnie is in his 70's and works out twice a day.
Look, maybe the captain managed to get laid one night and sleeps like a baby...the next day he is full of beans and hits the gym running..obviously he's going to lift v intensively. On the other hand, maybe one evening he gets wasted and loses $10k on poker with his drinking buddies...his sleep was terrible..the next day, he's probably not going to break any personal records in the gym so he needs to take that session easier. Is that clearer for you?
Research shows the more advanced you become, the more frequent your workouts should be. The optimal is 12 in a week e.g. 2 sessions a day for 6 days, 1 day rest. Whether any given elite athlete does this, well that's up to them. Do you think Usain Bolt just practices sprinting all day long? He's in the gym strength training for hours a day!
The advice to the Captain is clear. He enjoys working out and has the time and energy to do so. So why shouldn't he train every day? He just needs to follow a program which he can manage. So what if he is in his 60's? Arnie is in his 70's and works out twice a day.
Look, maybe the captain managed to get laid one night and sleeps like a baby...the next day he is full of beans and hits the gym running..obviously he's going to lift v intensively. On the other hand, maybe one evening he gets wasted and loses $10k on poker with his drinking buddies...his sleep was terrible..the next day, he's probably not going to break any personal records in the gym so he needs to take that session easier. Is that clearer for you?
Yes. You potentially have a financial incentive to keep people in the gym as long and as often as possible. Thanks for clarifying.
Bullshit. I'm still waiting for any solid evidence that 12(!) times a week of intense strength training is optimal for ANYONE, not to mention "for hours a day."
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Really? How on earth did you come to that conclusion? I'm not actually available for consultation btw...I only did the course for my benefit....having said that, the amount of bollocks and misinformation being spread on here and in general, well, looks like a possible lucrative opportunity to educate the ignorant.
Still waiting...
https://link.springer.com/article/10.2165/00007256-200737030-00004
You may have to pay for access, but that's not my problem.
Regarding less frequency per week (3x) v the one time a week you seem to be advocating:
http://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/A...arison_of_1_Day_and_3_Days_Per_Week_of.6.aspx
Shows very clearly the benefits of 3 x against 1x.
Here's some studies that show how fast trainees can recover:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17194226
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12753488
Btw, the reason why you are advocating low frequency might just be because you don't like to work hard...think about it.
I can quote loads more studies but I don't have the time for this anymore. Good luck, i think you may need it!
I was raised on volume training since the mid '70s and trained at upwards of 7.5 hours a week for probably longer than you have been alive. Looking back on it now, you can have it.
As for the rest of it, I have posted studies that contradict yours and I'm confident that they were better conducted. But I'm still waiting for evidence to support your assertion that 12 workouts a week is optimal for anyone, let alone everyone. And while you're at it, show me some evidence - any evidence - that Usain Bolt strength trains for hours a day, every day.
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