Recommend to trade for a living ?

Traders fail because they exit too quickly to take substantial profits .The best gains are made by doing nothing , letting your winners run.
When you are folding . you have no idea of a top or end of trend , so you cut your profits .In fact the best results are achieved by doing nothing.Traders closed their profits on amazon stocks , 350% lower.
I prefer to sell otm covered calls when i have profits. I totally believe in taking profits when you have them. You never know if the stock will run or retrace. Either way, once called away I have the option of selling a OTM put on the stock for more premium or assignment. The option prem is guaranteed profit, in addition to capital gains when the OTM call option is assigned.
I do have an account where i buy and hold. Often i see a stock run up, then run down and see my profits disappear. Due to current restraints I cannot trade my strategy on this account.
 
Traders fail because they exit too quickly to take substantial profits .The best gains are made by doing nothing , letting your winners run.

When you are folding . you have no idea of a top or end of trend , so you cut your profits .In fact the best results are achieved by doing nothing.Traders closed their profits on amazon stocks , 350% lower.

Traders never fail when they take profits. They fail when there losses are greater than there rewards. Crying about profits that you left behind? This just opens the door to future losses.
 
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Traders never fail when they take profits. They fail when there losses are greater than there rewards. Crying about profits that you left behind? This just opens the door to future losses.
Buy and hold is a ancient strategy promoted by peter lynch back in the 80s before the internet. Also referred to buy and pray or prey depending on your financial adviser. You can never lose taking profits. And if you have never held onto a stock and watch your profit erode away, you have no experience with the financial markets. FYI all stocks go up and down, and if you think you can call a constant up trend, you must have a crystal ball. Or your strategy is based on back testing only, all strategies work backwards 100%.
 
Just an observation but when you say 'look around' do you mean on trading forums and social media. If so you will rarely find anyone admit to being a losing trader. The majority of traders at these venues claim to be consistently profitable. My own view is that the vast majority of them are not being truthful for a host of commonly known psychological reasons.

Secondly from the small number of consistently profitable traders I have met and/or worked alongside in real life the timescale of their trades has not been a factor. I know of short term traders who do very well and longer terms traders who wouldn't dream of putting on a day trade.

What I did notice though is they had some common traits.They were all outwardly humble people who didn't get involved with social media. They were very flexible independent minded not ruling anything out or in. I also noticed that they were quietly very competitive minded which would overlap into non trading activites.

GL


More people over spoken to over the years, followed a few journals where longer term ones pretty much trade 50/50 to slightly down.

Defo not competitive, , lazy is more my thing :)
 
Buy and hold is a ancient strategy promoted by peter lynch back in the 80s before the internet. Also referred to buy and pray or prey depending on your financial adviser. You can never lose taking profits. And if you have never held onto a stock and watch your profit erode away, you have no experience with the financial markets. FYI all stocks go up and down, and if you think you can call a constant up trend, you must have a crystal ball. Or your strategy is based on back testing only, all strategies work backwards 100%.

A bird eats one seed at a time, at the end of the day it has a full belly.
 
Buy and hold is a ancient strategy promoted by peter lynch back in the 80s before the internet. Also referred to buy and pray or prey depending on your financial adviser. You can never lose taking profits. And if you have never held onto a stock and watch your profit erode away, you have no experience with the financial markets. FYI all stocks go up and down, and if you think you can call a constant up trend, you must have a crystal ball. Or your strategy is based on back testing only, all strategies work backwards 100%.

Buy and hold actually started way before Peter Lynch cause when I started, buying 100 shares cost was $125.00, so you bought for the long term. I still believe in buy and hold, BUT after huge drop and usually takes a few stabs at finding the lows like in late 2008/early 2009 and you have your "Core" dividend/option-able stocks, I still have them as they continue to pay dividends and I dance options around them in form of credit Put spreads and covered calls, to me the "Core" is more important of dividends and options, less so of capital appreciation through it has all gone up. Also, one's age IS a factor, as I am now sixty, am slowing down and having lazier period in my life, another ten years will collect SSI-delay the cash. But just not as interested in trading as much and working on more passive ways to collect based on options and much longer term commodities. You just get a certain age where not interested in wealth building and more calming life of maintaining.
 
In all due respect Handle, I often wonder about it myself. It is a damn challenging intellectual exercise to try figure things out.

Short term trading is a negative sum game (zero sum to the counter parties - commissions and slippage) so we cannot all be profitable. Also, short term the market is "almost random". If the market is completely random, then it is like gambling, no day traders can consistently make money. But there are some non random components there and so there are a few, like yourself who figured it out and can consistently make money. But not all of the traders can make money trading, even if it were the same players day in and day out, like a poker tournament.

The following chart tells the story:

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The green histogram is a random distribution of the 1 day price distribution whereas the small red histogram depicts the actual SPY histogram that is different from complete randomness. The SPY behavior is not completely random but the differences are awfully small and I for one am not smart enough to figure out how to exploit it and find a consistent winning day trading strategy.

I welcome your comments.

Best wishes.

I often think chaos and randomness are same, early on I understood I am intelligent in some things and trading was not one of them, but growing up I was able to see patterns well and why charts made sense to me, I could define a pattern then test it, I could define patterns and study them in relationship to price, so if price made one direction, indicator should make same pattern and when they were divergent, THEN I often had found something that few might not have discovered. Very long lonely life and being happy to research patterns. I spent years not understanding much of day trading, nothing worked, cause I didn't understand how price worked. I understand the huge PAIN people go through to learn how to trade, it is like counting cells in a pool of water, small gains that are like nothing in that pool. You struggle through your fears of never overcoming....In my case, I learned last of why price moves as it does and learned first how to slowly get better, am still learning.

I grew up where quitting was not an option and to lose was failure, so painfully I developed methods where I simple needed ways where I didn't feel like shit as losses mentally fucked me up and think of profits second. I still feel the distain on my Father's face when I brought home a B+ as that is not an "A". All the psycho babble will never work on what happened in early child development, so you either find methods you can live or you keep working. Maybe that is what is needed to become more than most, I don't know, but it is a life of working for that "A".

I understand about random distribution but there are ways to put percentages on your side, as the graph you display s based on whole day or one minute bar? ahhh and each bar is different to one bar ago regarding highs/lows, open/close and volume/indicators, each has a past of history that will sway on one side of 50/50 to other side, edge all seem to believe in.

You get to some point where exchange and broker making more than you, then rent a seat so fees are smaller. Net $80 a day and build up lots to fifty.

We can discuss randomness all day like TA, all semantics, to me Scalping is no harder or easier than making systems where you go for homerun swings, but I only know 2 guys on this forum who very consistently make them. But what we have is a "bell" curve of profitability, those are at the ends are good at the game and those in middle are trying to get to the end for day trading. Trading stocks longer term is so much easier, there is natural direction of going up.

Ever wonder why exchanges make it so easier for a anyone with few thousand to open an account? THEY KNOW most going to be short lived and will lose to experienced and exchanges need money to, brokers are bookies only better, they get a piece on each side regardless if you make/lose. People no good at betting red/black.
 
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