Reality based coin-tosser method that beats 95% of traders in the world.

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The third conclusion is that all these losers, that lose more than a random strategy would suggest, are doing something to their accounts that is much worse than random betting, and/or the winners of the game are doing something to their accounts and/or the price that traps all the losers in the wrong side time after time, and therein somewhere lies the two biggest edges of them all, as this is a zero sum game minus commissions: Giving liquidity to losers and/or taking liquidity from winners. Liquidity is a volume function that happens in all timeframes.

The first 2 conclusions are easy to prove mathematically. Maybe someone can do it and offer the proof here.

The third...well...it's not so easy to prove.

Well, I won't attempt a serious proof, but, the Effiecient Market Hypothesis does come to mind. Investors/Traders do not act rationally, hence EMH is flawed. That "something" losers are doing to their account is called emotional and irrational behaviour.
 
AyeYo, let me take a stab at explaining this... these things are not always intuitive so I've verified the numbers for each case with MCS.

I looked at 3 cases and assumed NO COMMISSIONS OR SLIPPAGE to keep it simple:

1) The market is so biased to the long side that it goes up every day by one point.
Net profit/loss of coin toss method: zero.
Why? Because you win one point 50% of the time and lose one point 50% of the time.

2) The market randomly goes up/down 50% the time, but it's so biased to the long side that each up day is +2 points and each down day is -1 point.
Net profit/loss of coin toss method: zero.
Why? On up days, you win/lose 50% of the time, so your 2 point wins cancel out your 2 point losses. On down days, you win/lose 50% of the time, so your 1 point wins cancel out your 1 point losses.

3) Cases inbetween, like the market is up 90% of the time AND makes 2 points on each up day, but only loses 1 point on the 10% of down days.
Net profit/loss of coin toss method: zero.
Why? On up days, you still win/lose 50% of the time (even though 90% of the days are up), so your 2 point wins cancel out your 2 point losses. On down days, same logic applies.


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Prove break-even and then we can worry about making it better.
 
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Well, I won't attempt a serious proof, but, the Effiecient Market Hypothesis does come to mind. Investors/Traders do not act rationally, hence EMH is flawed. That "something" losers are doing to their account is called emotional and irrational behaviour.

Can you explain how EMH applies all the time to ES trading.

Also why do you say I/T do not act rationally.

sosueme
 
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Again, the market is biased. Your 50/50 coin tossing does not take this into account.

I am impressed by your on going ability to miss the point that you are missing the point.
 
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Haha, what would those bugs be exactly? There's no looking forward or snooping. Explain yourself:D


Despite calling out - and trying to set - four options for position size, only two are actually attainable.
 
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Despite calling out - and trying to set - four options for position size, only two are actually attainable.

Great catch! Here is the edited code with proper sizing code.

Thanks Random.

Mike
 

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I agree that markets are not random. HOWEVER, if you flip a fair coin, half the time the market bias will work in your favor and the other half the bias will work against you, canceling each other out.

See my 10-21-09 12:11 PM post (above) for more detail.
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Market is random my ass.
 
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Can you explain how EMH applies all the time to ES trading.

Also why do you say I/T do not act rationally.

sosueme

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficient-market_hypothesis

See criticism section.

Any leveraged market - ES included of course - is subject to irrational behavior. What you're seeing with the system results I'm posting is the liquidation effect at 1255pm PST, i.e. overleveraged participants either being force liquidated or seeking liquidity. This is not a rational behavior; traders are getting "trapped" in positions and not exiting due to rational reasons. They are exiting because of irrational reasons beyond their control (margin requirements, impulsiveness, agony, cat jumping on the keyboard... etc etc).

Mike
 
Quote from Mike805:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficient-market_hypothesis

See criticism section.

Any leveraged market - ES included of course - is subject to irrational behavior. What you're seeing with the system results I'm posting is the liquidation effect at 1255pm PST, i.e. overleveraged participants either being force liquidated or seeking liquidity. This is not a rational behavior; traders are getting "trapped" in positions and not exiting due to rational reasons. They are exiting because of irrational reasons beyond their control (margin requirements, impulsiveness, agony, cat jumping on the keyboard... etc etc).

Mike

Interesting.
What system results are you posting please

sosueme
 
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Well, I won't attempt a serious proof, but, the Effiecient Market Hypothesis does come to mind. Investors/Traders do not act rationally, hence EMH is flawed. That "something" losers are doing to their account is called emotional and irrational behaviour.

A corollary of the third conclusion is how are you going to get out if you are wrong or trapped with the losers either by mistake or by design?. ==> EXITS

What if you are so big that there is no liquidity to get out?. This happened to LTCM, Barings, Lehman, etc, etc, etc.

If one could spot large traders in trouble like these, making big money would be like taking candy from a baby.
 
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