Reality based coin-tosser method that beats 95% of traders in the world.

Quote from cfd_trader:

AyeYo, it seems like you're confusing two issues.

It is true that on average the up days are up by a larger amount than the down days.

HOWEVER - you kinda skip the fact that you could very well be LOSING on an UP day and winning on a down day (and vice versa of course).

In that case, does your account grow in value, or decrease in value, over such 2 trades?

Obviously, it would *decrease*, all the while the underlying index price will have *increased*.


Over all, over a large statistical sample of equiprobably distributed winning and losing trades (same probability to win or lose over time, but not necessarily by the same amount on each trade, but also winning trades do NOT necessarily have a bigger amount than losing trades), you end up with a grand total of... ZERO net profit.

No less, but no more either.

That's the way I see it anyway, maybe you'll be changing your view on this, though not sure I explain it too well... :)


That makes far more sense that how he stated it, but let me explain how I'm looking at it.

The market is biased long, purely from a historical perspective. Also, as stated by someone else, even if the market didn't trend up over time, the probability of it doubling is, in the real world, infinitely higher than the probability of it going to zero. So, again, the market is biased long. The probabilities are NOT normally distributed.


So what does that leave us with? That leaves us trying to toss a coin to make a red/black call on a roulette wheel that's biased towards black. It just doesn't work over time.
 
Quote from AyeYo:


The market is biased long, purely from a historical perspective.

The long bias is entirely due to the issuance of credit and the devaluation of money (they go hand in hand)

This in turn brings us all back to your rather broad "buy and hold" theory.

sosueme
 
Quote from AyeYo:

That makes far more sense that how he stated it, but let me explain how I'm looking at it.

The market is biased long, purely from a historical perspective. Also, as stated by someone else, even if the market didn't trend up over time, the probability of it doubling is, in the real world, infinitely higher than the probability of it going to zero. So, again, the market is biased long. The probabilities are NOT normally distributed.


So what does that leave us with? That leaves us trying to toss a coin to make a red/black call on a roulette wheel that's biased towards black. It just doesn't work over time.

Once again, and for the last time:

You are confusing the probabilities of a DECISION SYSTEM, with the historical probabilities of returns of the market.

Two different things.

If you wish to stay confused, that is your choice. 3-4 different people have tried to explain it to you...
 
Quote from bordaline:

He didn't come up with that nickname by chance

This has been 65 pages of a wanker that does nothing but post during market hours

You will have to prove to yourself and others that your suggestions bring in at least 1 tic per day on average extra profit over the original method rules.
 
Quote from Whisky:

Once again, and for the last time:

You are confusing the probabilities of a DECISION SYSTEM, with the historical probabilities of returns of the market.

There's no decisions at all.

Can you play head/tails = red/black and come out break-even if the roulette wheel is biased 0.48-red/0.52-black?
 
Quote from AyeYo:

There's no decisions at all.

Can you play head/tails = red/black and come out break-even if the roulette wheel is biased 0.48-red/0.52-black?

Yes. Of course. You just need to get lucky.
 
Quote from sosueme:

The long bias is entirely due to the issuance of credit and the devaluation of money (they go hand in hand)

This in turn brings us all back to your rather broad "buy and hold" theory.

sosueme

Then if you want to assume that the market is truly flat over time, then the coin system is a massive loser due to the same forces that make the market trend up. Where does that put us? Back to where we started, buy and hold beats coin toss.
 
Quote from Whisky:

Yes. Of course. You just need to get lucky.

Exactly. So there's nothing break-even about your coin toss system. I could buy/sell based on what shade of brown my morning shit is - I'd have just as good of a chance to win.
 
Quote from bordaline:

He doesn't get it, he's trying to apply the 50/50 that every single flip of the coin is despite any and all history to a market that is weighted towards heads

I just don't get why he can't see it. Maybe he does and it's just too hard to admit such a simple and basic flaw after 65 pages of ranting and raving like a dick.
 
Quote from AyeYo:

Then if you want to assume that the market is truly flat over time, then the coin system is a massive loser due to the same forces that make the market trend up. Where does that put us? Back to where we started, buy and hold beats coin toss.

Since in buy and hold, you never sell by definition, you do not beat anyone except yourself. Might as well donate the money. Preferibly to me.
 
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