Reagan is not great

...harebrained ideology and wishful thinking are equivalent to reality?
Drop the question mark, and you may have unwittingly and succinctly summarized human existence. You should let Hawking, Susskind, Wilson, Dawkins, and Prigogine know of this breakthrough. (I would add Darwin to the list of those to be notified, but sadly he has left us.) In the meantime I'll cable the Nobel selection committee.

Locally, I hereby nominate your post (minus the question mark of course) for the "post of the year award."
 
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I never said we should do away with the EPA,
Oh. I realize that, and apologize if I ineptly suggested that. It was others I refer to. I did not mean to imply that you were the one who was bonkers. I find myself in agreement with many of your observations and points. Our main disagreement would be over the desirability of Trump over Clinton. I guess I could say that I am more reviled by Trump than Clinton. But I shouldn't say that, because of late I realized I have not been entirely fair to her and she could turn out to be a much better President, with Bernie in the wings to guide her, than she was Sec. of State. I'm OK with her now that I have no other choice. (from my perspective mind you.)
 
I and many others have pointed out that some picketty's analysis and conclusions were very off base.

So why don't you go into specifics.


http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2015/7/reagans-tax-cutting-legacy


I will start with our arguments.

President Reagan had a gift for proving his critics wrong. Almost none of the leading economists of the late 1970s thought that his supply-side, tax-cutting agenda, along with stable monetary policy and deregulation, could revive the U.S. economy.

But the prosperity of the 1980s, with growth rates higher than 6 percent, proved the Gipper correct. An economics major from Eureka College understood our free-market system better than the so-called experts at Harvard, Yale and MIT.

As the 2016 presidential campaigns gear up, Reagan’s policies are under assault again, this time even from some on the right. This new group, called “reformicons,” says that supply-siders are obsessed with cutting tax rates for the richest Americans at a time when middle-class tax cuts and tax credits should take precedence.

Reagan’s legacy has gotten tangled in this debate. As Henry Olsen of the Ethics and Public Policy Center recently wrote: “Many claim [Reagan] today as the political father of supply-side tax policy, but his words and deeds show that it was not quite so. By indexing standard deductions and tax brackets for inflation, he steered hundreds of millions of dollars to middle- and working-class families, money that theoretically could have been used to cut top rates even more. And his 1981 tax cut allowed all workers to contribute to tax-deductible IRAs, exactly the sort of middle-class tax cut that today’s supply-siders deride.”

This is partly true. Reagan’s 1981 Economic Recovery Tax Act was an across-the-board 25 percent reduction in tax rates. Everyone got tax relief. Almost all supply-siders supported indexing tax rates for inflation to end “bracket creep” and to prevent the government from profiting from inflation. And deductions for tax-free IRAs are supported by most supply-siders as a way to encourage saving by ending its double taxation.

The Tax Reform Act of 1986 was quintessential Reagan. He knew closing loopholes and lowering rates would create efficiency gains. No one thought it could be done. But the legislation passed, reducing the number of tax brackets to two, 15 percent for the middle class and 28 percent for the wealthy. As a result, the highest income-tax rate fell from 70 percent to 28 percent — one of the biggest rate reductions in American history.

Reagan was a supply-sider — period. He understood that high tax rates discourage work, investment and growth. He used to tell the story of making only a certain number of movies a year, because once he got pushed into the highest tax rates of 70 percent or more, there was no rational justification for continuing to work. The Reagan tax-rate reductions increased tax revenues from $500 billion to $1 trillion by the end of the 1980s.

A study by economist Larry Lindsey found that the rate cuts for the highest income brackets paid for themselves by encouraging work and investment. Supply-side economics was a success. As the Gipper noted with his customary wit, “I knew my ideas were working when the media stopped calling it Reaganomics.”



I would guess that Thomas Piketty would be quite chagrined to hear you say "there is no rational basis" for his arguments on why wealth is distributed as it is.

I developed my thesis on my own after looking at the data, much thought, further reading, and discussing my thinking with an economist friend. I was pleased to observe, however, upon reading "Capital in the 21st Century," that Piketty agreed with me. He is arguably the number one authority on wealth distribution and its history in Europe, Great Britain, and the United States, so that gives me great confidence that my ideas, with regard to the genesis of the current wealth distribution in the U.S. anyway, are correct.

The path that led us to this point got a boost with Reagan's administration, when compression of the tax rates was extreme. Of course, this was soon recognized as damaging, and some of this compression was therefore subsequently undone. More adjustment in the direction of greater progressivity is still urgently needed however. (You will recall that such was one of Sanders proposals, and a reason why I contributed to his campaign.) Rate compression coupled to lower rates on unearned income is the root cause of the wealth distribution we see. There are other secondary factors that contribute. These are in large part, however, not independent variables, because these secondary factors have been fueled by the core effects of the supply-side economics that started to be implemented in a serious way with Reagan and still haunt us today. (Corporate executive compensation is a factor, but the magnitude of its effect is not independent of tax structure.)

When you reduce the tax rate dramatically on the wealthy and raise it a little bit on the middle class, what is your idea of how that would affect wealth distribution over time? What is your idea of how this tax rate change would affect the proportion of unearned income in the various deciles of income distribution? If unearned income is taxed at a lower rate, even a few percent, than earned income, what would be the effect of compounding this rate difference over thirty-five years? How would redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy affect the demand for credit in the middle class? What would be the result of increasing demand for credit in the middle class on unearned income in the highest deciles of wealth distribution? When I look at wealth distribution as a function of time from the 1980s forward, I find that wealth grows exponentially in the upper deciles despite some of the bracket compression in the 1980s having been later undone. What should this tell me? Would this observation be supportive of, or counter, my thesis? Would you conclude that labor is getting exponentially lazier, and the wealthier are working exponentially harder? :rolleyes: (I hope not!)

Finally, I would be most entertained if you would give me your explanation of how "50 million immigrants, most of whom are of welfare," [to quote one of the posts above] have managed to produce the wealth distribution that exists in the United States in 2016. :D
 
This is partly true. Reagan’s 1981 Economic Recovery Tax Act was an across-the-board 25 percent reduction in tax rates. Everyone got tax relief.
possibly you would find it instructional to look up the year in which tax rates were drastically lower and drastically compressed in the upper brackets, but raised in the lowest bracket where many more poor souls resided. That is an astounding way to help out the middle class! And it happened during the Reagan administration.

When Steve Forbes was promoting a flat tax, I found it invigorating and thought how simple life could be if only we had a flat tax. That was when I had little time outside of my work duties to explore these issues in detail. Now I have much more time. I understand why Forbes found the flat tax so appealing, and it had nothing to do with simplicity, although that's how he promoted it to the Republican base.

A good analogy to the Republican voter base may be a person chained to a rack and being being stretched while calling out, "Ooooh that feels really good, stretch me a little more please," while a gaggle of wealthy financiers and business titans in executioners' hoods turn the mechanism's wheel.
 
you don't fool us with that lefty template... you are open minded, you once were tougher on the lefty but you were not fair. Now you think she will out perform.

We have seen that disingenuous template for the past decade.


Oh. I realize that, and apologize if I ineptly suggested that. It was others I refer to. I did not mean to imply that you were the one who was bonkers. I find myself in agreement with many of your observations and points. Our main disagreement would be over the desirability of Trump over Clinton. I guess I could say that I am more reviled by Trump than Clinton. But I shouldn't say that, because of late I realized I have not been entirely fair to her and she could turn out to be a much better President, with Bernie in the wings to guide her, than she was Sec. of State. I'm OK with her now that I have no other choice. (from my perspective mind you.)
 
you will have to understand I disabused you of that baloney in the past. Don't you read contrary views? I already showed you that a far lower percentage of people pay income taxes now. Therefore, everyone had a tax cut... some down to zero.

But.. if you prefer to be disabused of your leftist baloney again... bring out the specifics. please.


possibly you would find it instructional to look up the year in which tax rates were drastically lower and drastically compressed in the upper brackets, but raised in the lowest bracket where many more poor souls resided. That is an astounding way to help out the middle class! And it happened during the Reagan administration.

When Steve Forbes was promoting a flat tax, I found it invigorating and thought how simple life could be if only we had a flat tax. That was when I had little time outside of my work duties to explore these issues in detail. Now I have much more time. I understand why Forbes found the flat tax so appealing, and it had nothing to do with simplicity, although that's how he promoted it to the Republican base.

A good analogy to the Republican voter base may be a person chained to a rack and being being stretched while calling out, "Ooooh that feels really good, stretch me a little more please," while a gaggle of wealthy financiers and business titans in executioners' hoods turn the mechanism's wheel.
 
It's only a realistic possibility, no where near a certainty. And let's not lose sight of the fact that there is a Congress and most power lies with the House. The House is not friendly place.
 
you will have to understand I disabused you of that baloney in the past. Don't you read contrary views? I already showed you that a far lower percentage of people pay income taxes now. Therefore, everyone had a tax cut... some down to zero.
In that case let us build up the middle class by lowering their incomes to the point that none of them have to pay taxes!!! :D:D:D
 
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