read this and weep you idiot free market geeks

Quote from achilles28:

Your ignorance is astonishing.

Lemmie guess, you've never heard of the House Banking Committee Staff Report of August 1976: Federal Reserve Directors: A Study of Corporate and Banking Influence?

European Ownership of the FED by Rothschilds, Loeb, Schiff and Warburg is well documented (by your own Government, no less).

As for poo-pooing all this as "conspiracy talk."

Your founding fathers fought and died to keep European Bankers out of America.

They knew the money scam and wrote it about it profusely.

How bankers create booms, busts to confiscate private wealth.

I strongly suggest you go educate yourself.

I don't go out of my way to read conspiracy theories so no I haven't read that House Banking Report you refer to.

Edify me and name the current Fed Reserve directors and governors and draw their link to the European banking families you think control the Fed.
 
nobody has a monopoly on credit. The only difference is the Fed can print money, therefore by definition cannot go into default (although it would be entirely possible). Other institutions may experience credit freezing up (including the government) so that they may go into default at any point in time.

This is by the way a crisis of liquidity and confidence and not of credit. Lehman and BS went into default at their particular times because of the loss of confidence by other counterparties. (According to the FED LEH did not even tap the FED liquidity facility all the way until default).

I dont understand why people make things so complicated. It all boils very quickly down to the human aspects of greed and fear. In LEHs case most counterparties lost all confidence in Lehman and stopped lending even short term. Others such as KfW still had confidence (out of negligence and lack of due diligence) and transferred 350 million Euros to Leh on the same day Leh went into default. Simple as that.

Quote from BabyDrew:

"Warren E. Buffett warned about a similar phenomenon during the tech bubble. Mr. Buffett said he wouldn’t invest in tech stocks because he didn’t understand the business model."

The above is explains the Laissez-Faire system perfectly. The smart, efficient competition will always rise to the top. Who is going to call Buffett a fool because Berkshire didn't invest Nasdaq? The risky investments failed and the smart investments succeeded. That is the beauty of competition.

The Fed's monopoly of credit is the underlying issue. Monopoly always leads to inefficiencies in the market. In a free-market economy, a monopoly would be quickly brought down by competition. Since credit competition is outlawed, the Fed's inefficiencies cannot be corrected. Should credit-currency be treated as other commodities, banks would be forced to compete with deposits and credit. This would stabilize interest rates at a market value. Easy money would cease, the credit lines could never freeze, and the economy would be much more stable.
 
safe your time man, those guys are the same who claim the US has never landed on the moon. LOL. And they are the same who spend day and night to find out who to blame for this mortgage bubble. The Fed, the government, the bankers, the Europeans, who whatever. THe fail to see that it was created by simple greed and fear. Greed when people with 40k annual salaries thought they also deserve a home without down payments, without sufficient credit. Greed when the average American consumer STILL TODAY AS WE STAND thinks he/she deserves 3-4 maxed-out credit cards, at least 2 cars (one of which exceeds the annual net salary), and the list goes on. People have grown to expect the impossible. The virtue of patience has gotten lost and been replaced by an "I deserve NOW" attitude. That there are others who feed from this greed is expected and will NEVER change. So, why are we surprised, why shall rather blame all of us outselves. Why everthing so complicated?

Quote from Capablanca:

I don't go out of my way to read conspiracy theories so no I haven't read that House Banking Report you refer to.

Edify me and name the current Fed Reserve directors and governors and draw their link to the European banking families you think control the Fed.
 
Quote from IluvVol:

safe your time man, those guys are the same who claim the US has never landed on the moon. LOL. And they are the same who spend day and night to find out who to blame for this mortgage bubble. The Fed, the government, the bankers, the Europeans, who whatever. THe fail to see that it was created by simple greed and fear. Greed when people with 40k annual salaries thought they also deserve a home without down payments, without sufficient credit. Greed when the average American consumer STILL TODAY AS WE STAND thinks he/she deserves 3-4 maxed-out credit cards, at least 2 cars (one of which exceeds the annual net salary), and the list goes on. People have grown to expect the impossible. The virtue of patience has gotten lost and been replaced by an "I deserve NOW" attitude. That there are others who feed from this greed is expected and will NEVER change. So, why are we surprised, we shall rather blame all of us ourselves. Why everthing so complicated?
 
Quote from IluvVol:

safe your time man, those guys are the same who claim the US has never landed on the moon. LOL. And they are the same who spend day and night to find out who to blame for this mortgage bubble.

Thank you for the comment. I find it amusing though to see how far they can stretch their bizarre theories and still maintain a straight face without realizing how ridiculous they are sounding.
 
Quote from IluvVol:

leverage fuels speculative bubbles BUT it does not causes bubbles nor does the lack of leverage prevent bubbles. Look at the tulip mania in Holland. This among many other speculative bubbles was caused by simple human greed and fear nothing else.

People always like to make it complicated when it really is very simple to find the roots and causes of what we today observe in financial markets.

Wrong.

Leverage fuels *and* causes bubbles.

Tulip Mania is a perfect example of excess liquidity causing bubbles.

The Netherlands "Free coinage" and Bank of Amsterdam's stability created an influx of specie (gold and silver) into the Netherlands in the early 1600's.

By 1638, the Netherland Mint had coined 1800% more gold and 800% more silver than was in circulation, 10 years earlier.

That doesn't sound like a money bubble!!

Enjoy

http://mises.org/story/2564


btw, please show us any bubble that wasn't first preceded by a huge run-up in money supply.
 
Quote from IluvVol:

and I strongly suggest you keep the church in the village, so to speak. Ownership of the Fed? Dude, you make me laugh. You should maybe spend more time on your trade ideas instead of throwing around with your conspiracy theories. A lot of you guys come up with wild ideas but you never answer a simple question: WHY and WHAT IS THE PURPOSE!!!

But thanks for the amusing comments.


Another blissfully ignorant moron.

You keep it up! Your Government LOVES you so much!
 
Quote from Capablanca:

I don't go out of my way to read conspiracy theories so no I haven't read that House Banking Report you refer to.

Edify me and name the current Fed Reserve directors and governors and draw their link to the European banking families you think control the Fed.

Go look it up for yourself.

And while you're at it, do us the favor and explain why Jefferson, Jackson and Lincoln railed against, what you call, a "banking conspiracy theory".

Or do you not read the Founders Writings either?

Wouldn't be surprised......
 
Keeping interest rates as low as they were, the Federal Reserve created artificial demand of credit. This artificial demand coupled with lax lending standards transferred the asset bubble from tech stocks to the housing bubble (The government needs higher asset prices to collect more tax dollars on). In such environments risk gets overly mispriced and MMs take advantage of it in pricing ABS. MMs bid up asset prices and pawn them off on Joe Public and Municipalities. This has been happening from the start of the Federal Reserve System.

A "free market" would call for 6-8% rates so that the bonds can at least outpace inflation.

The balance between greed and fear is a very fine line.

Government intervention is never the answer. Name one thing that the government got involved in that it helped.

This writer is clueless. Cognitive dissonance is the problem here.
 
Quote from IluvVol:

nobody has a monopoly on credit. The only difference is the Fed can print money, therefore by definition cannot go into default (although it would be entirely possible)

Nobody has a monopoly on credit?

Except the Federal Reserve who prints the money.

But prove us all wrong and start using your own bills of credit at the local grocery store, and see what happens...




Quote from IluvVol:

I dont understand why people make things so complicated. It all boils very quickly down to the human aspects of greed and fear. In LEHs case most counterparties lost all confidence in Lehman and stopped lending even short term. Others such as KfW still had confidence (out of negligence and lack of due diligence) and transferred 350 million Euros to Leh on the same day Leh went into default. Simple as that.

Wow. When you boil it down in such simple (minded) terms, I guess you're right!

FED funds at 1% for 2 years certainly had nothing to do with it.

Ever notice how bubbles don't form when rates are 10%+ ?

Every bubble was the result of loose credit.

I suggest doing some research.
 
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