Racial crime stat facts.

[bigdavediode]

Quote from cheval fonce:

You: that's not possible because I there is one oak grove which most of the trees are 35 feet tall. you can't say that average oak trees are 25 feet tall unless you've ignored the 35 feet tall oak trees that i saw.

Nope, you excluded 25 million people from your average. In a single country. I brought up three countries right off the top. I can bring up more, if you like.

Explain to us exactly how you reached this calculation of an average. Did you go by population count, and the homicide rate in the US of 5 per 100,000 to generalize about the other 99,995? Or did you just do that for other countries?

 

[Eight]

I recall reading way back in the day that homosexuality was the biggest factor in murder and the homo rates are high among blacks...

My take on Blacks is that welfare doesn't pay enough and they subsidize with crime... if Jessie Jackemup types weren't making Blacks bad hiring risks for white employers Blacks might have private sector jobs but it's very rarely that I see a Black worker in the private sector...

 

[cheval fonce]

Ok, now I'm really holding back but I must acknowledge the comical value of someone who tells me what I did or didn't include in figures which I cited, then proceeds to ask me how I derived such figure, immediately after telling me how I calculated the averages no less. Oh well, I'm sure you are quite used to not being taken seriously.

Quote from bigdavediode:

Nope, you excluded 25 million people from your average. In a single country. I brought up three countries right off the top. I can bring up more, if you like.

Explain to us exactly how you reached this calculation of an average. Did you go by population count, and the homicide rate in the US of 5 per 100,000 to generalize about the other 99,995? Or did you just do that for other countries?

 

[blackjack007]

let's keep this question simple for bigdave, et al:

is there a predominantly black community in the US that you'd WANT to live in?

 

[Shagi]

Realise that American Blacks are a different breed. Their behavioural tendencies are unique and different to African Blacks. Simply put the majority of American Blacks are a lost nation, no indentity, no family values, high propensity to crime, uneducated, no pride.

As for whites, well many whites in Eastern Europe share many of the same traits as American Blacks, go to Romania, Russia, Bulgaria etc.

Statistically over time Western European whites are the most violent race in the history of mankind they have murdered the most, pillaged, raped and committed the highest levels of genocide by far than any other race.

African Blacks may have wars in some countries now and again but by far a large part of Africa is peaceful and safe despite abject poverty that exists.

So this argument is useless.

 

[Trader666]

Littledaviedumbass doesn't even grasp how basic graphs and axes work:
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2974933&#post2974933

Not only that, he claims he's "big fan of logic" yet contradicts himself on a regular basis:
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2975117&#post2975117
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2975097&#post2975097

And knows as little about logic as he does about graphs:
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2979342#post2979342

Quote from cheval fonce:

Exceptions don't invalidate the data. Exceptions, both in terms of individuals and communities will always exist. That doesn't change the mathematical facts about group averages. For some reason you seem unable to grasp that point.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from Shagi:

... by far a large part of Africa is peaceful and safe...

Really? You mean the uninhabited parts maybe?

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from cheval fonce:

Ok, now I'm really holding back but I must acknowledge the comical value of someone who tells me what I did or didn't include in figures which I cited, then proceeds to ask me how I derived such figure, immediately after telling me how I calculated the averages no less. Oh well, I'm sure you are quite used to not being taken seriously.

You've already won this argument a long time ago.
Problem is the one's you're arguing with will NEVER see it that way let alone admit it.

 

[RCG Trader]

Quote from cheval fonce:

Hi. I'll be happy to engage you in this discussion. After all, I'm the one who started it, and I have so far been reasonably attentive to it I feel. Therefore your taunting and aggression isn't really necessary.

My answer is that the first thing that should be done is that we should all be honest about the existence and nature of these problems, and openly address them in a non hateful manner. There is no hope to overcome these problems without acknowledging their nature, and certainly not without even acknowledging their existence.

Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it. We have to be willing to to acknowledge this inconvenient truth even though it may not fit our societal indoctrination or our idealized world view. It's certainly not what most of us want to believe. We have to cease this state of idealized wishful thinking, and address reality.

If you want to see real racial hatred, simply keep denying reality. We will deal with this reality sooner or later. It's much better for everyone that it's acknowledged now, before more hatred is germinated. The longer these realities are ignored, the harder these issues will be to deal with, when they do inevitably arise. Ignoring issues doesn't make them go away. You can ignore your growing obesity, but then when you start having a heart attack you'll wish you had forgone your delusional comfort.

I understand your concerns about confronting these issues. However in theory, we have the intellectual and moral tools to defuse the dangers. "Is" does not imply "ought." Group differences, when they exist, pertain to averages, not to individual men and women. There are geniuses and dullards, saints and sinners, in every race, ethnicity, and gender. Political equality is a commitment to universal human rights, and to policies that treat people as individuals rather than as representatives of groups; it is not an empirical claim that groups, genders, or races are indistinguishable. Many commentators seem unwilling to grasp these points.

In a very eloquent way, you said absolutely nothing in this post.

Allow me question you further.

Based on your posts it seems that you are implying that blacks and Latinos are genetically inferior to whites and Asians in the aggregate. A fascinating premise to say the least.

Again, I will concede your assumption for the sake of eliminating inconvenience.

Based on that assumption, how is it to be addressed?
What is your plan?

 

[Shagi]

Quote from Lucrum:

Really? You mean the uninhabited parts maybe?

Yes, unlike most armchair pretenders here, I have lived in Africa, Europe, Latin America, North America, China and travelled by road from Cairo, Egypt to Cape Town, South Africa, you will be surprised that most Africans are happy to help a stranger. Yes there are pockets of fighting there but hugely dsitorted by the Westerm media. Some here even think Africa is one country.

And I may add poverty is not unique to Africa. Eastern Europe is littered with huge populations living worse off than most Africans. There are more people in China that live in poverty than the whole of Africa.