Race

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

A few random thoughts.

The U.S. fought deadly wars against various Asian nations in four consecutive decades. We've killed millions and millions of “yellow men” from Japan to Cambodia, Korea to Laos, Vietnam to the Philippines. All combined we've lost 200,000 troops, spent hundreds of billions, interned American citizens of Japanese descent and Hollywood has cast thousands in the role of maniacal, evil “nips”, “Japs” and “slant eyes.” Until my adult lifetime the official sports nickname of Pekin Il. High School was the Chinks.

America has only used nuclear weapons in warfare once. Of course we killed Asians.

Yet if one were to poll American whites on their personal impressions of Asians, I'm guessing the vast, vast majority would respond that Asians are pretty cool. I don't recall ever meeting an Asian I've disliked. Perhaps those out West who live near Asian gangs have a different take but I see Asians in America as extreme scholastic achievers, businessmen who often prosper in dangerous inner city neighborhoods and good family people. Unlike many other white guys I harbor no particular sexual desire for Asian women, I've never visited Asia nor do I really desire to. I enjoy Asian food but in no way am I pre-disposed to like Asians. I just do. My feelings are based on the way they treat me, my community and each other.

I would never pretend people are color blind. However I don't think people dislike someone of another race based on color. Instead color merely becomes a dominant identification. Just like gender, religion or sexual orientation. We'd be naive to believe folks of differing faiths don't possess traits unique to their own dogma. Individuality is usually just a subset of our cultural upbringing.

One can't help but contrast the good will felt toward Asians to the animosity between Blacks and Whites. Is it because yellow is closer to white in the color wheel? Or could it be something more tangible? Could it be that whites (substitute humans) make a statistical inference based on identifiable markers? After all the language men use to describe women is pretty illustrative of those generalized divides. How many of you have heard, “women are tough to work for, it's like they have something to prove.” Or “good looking chicks have attitudes.” While those remarks are considered sexist or even cruel they may contain a grain of statistical truth.

The history of race relations in the U.S. perhaps precludes any dialog that won't be viewed as hostile and prejudicial. Too many old wounds. What about those who come here devoid of that bad history. A fresh set of eyes so to speak.

Then how do immigrants view American blacks? To be blunt, not favorably. By and large immigrants see blacks as spoiled. Put yourself in the shoes of a Mexican in L.A., an Arab in Detroit or a Polish person in Chicago. Chances are you came to America without speaking English. You enter a strange land amid a small network of friends and family. Because of financial hardship or immigration laws your parents or children might have been left behind. Talk about the trauma of your first day in school! So now you're in your first day in the City of Obama.

While you're working some menial back breaking job, trying to learn conversational English and putting off any luxury beyond a few cervezas so you can send money back home-you're robbed at gunpoint by guys who own cars and expensive shoes. You see these thieves as people who had the benefit of free schools. Schools that fielded sports teams, held plays, gave out free lunch and had just 20-25 students in a class. These are people who if unemployed or poor receive food stamps, subsidized housing, welfare and aid to dependent children. They have fire and police protection, nice parks, recreational facilities, affirmitive hiring, helpful quotas in government jobs and contracts and best of all they're full fledged U.S. Citizens. Yet with all those advantages-perks you and your people would die for, perhaps your people have died for, yet these American blacks drop out of school, join gangs, rob, murder, abuse drugs and live in squaller.

Even the taxi driver from Nigeria refuses to pick up American black fares. He quickly learns the statistical risk. Obviously he makes a decision based on race. Are we to imply the Nigerian is prejudiced?

What is "race"?
 
Quote from sho-tim:

I can't figure out if Obama is the real deal or just another black guy asking for change.

My info may be wrong but I thought he was mostly Arab and less than 10% black.

In any case the only "change" will be the huge increase in taxes.
 
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:


Yet if one were to poll American whites on their personal impressions of Asians, I'm guessing the vast, vast majority would respond that Asians are pretty cool. I don't recall ever meeting an Asian I've disliked.

Even the taxi driver from Nigeria refuses to pick up American black fares. He quickly learns the statistical risk. Obviously he makes a decision based on race. Are we to imply the Nigerian is prejudiced?

The Nigerian cabbie is not being prejudiced, he's being post-judiced. Car insurance companies do it all the time. Correlations to risk factors are legitimate bits of data to use. He isn't going to be afraid of picking up a black grandmother from a school in a nice suburb, is he? He may think twice about driving into Chinatown to pick up 4 intoxicated young asian guys wearing gang clothes.

However, I'd ask this. If a presentable black person hails the taxi, in a normal part of town, do you think before even picking him up that the Nigerian thinks the black person smokes weed, talks in ebonics, is uneducated, lazy, promiscuous, would be a bad neighbour or housemate etc? I doubt it. Whereas lots of white people would be assuming exactly those things, just based on this person's race.

There's a difference between judging on facts, or what appear to be facts; and judging based on pure prejudice, with no accounting for the facts at all.
 
Actually many Chicago blacks who pull robberies know that dressing well will give them an opening. It's far more common to hear a police report on these types of cases "police are seeking a well dressed armed robber" rather than a guy wearing a Gangster Disciple sweatshirt. The same with store robberies. How many pawn shops are going to buzz in the guy with a doorag wrapped around his head?

Women too. Where are they going to be dropped off? They tell the trusting cabbie, "take me to 9918 S. Robbery Av" and as they take their time pulling out a wallet from the back seat their boyfriend accomplice comes from the pre-arranged shadows and ices the driver with a shot from the sidewalk.

It sucks for the black yuppie who himself is afraid of being robbed. Often he's hailing a cab to avoid a treacherous walk home from the bus or “L”.That's why polls in Black communities will most often cite crime as their #1 concern.
Quote from Cutten:

The Nigerian cabbie is not being prejudiced, he's being post-judiced. Car insurance companies do it all the time. Correlations to risk factors are legitimate bits of data to use. He isn't going to be afraid of picking up a black grandmother from a school in a nice suburb, is he? He may think twice about driving into Chinatown to pick up 4 intoxicated young asian guys wearing gang clothes.

However, I'd ask this. If a presentable black person hails the taxi, in a normal part of town, do you think before even picking him up that the Nigerian thinks the black person smokes weed, talks in ebonics, is uneducated, lazy, promiscuous, would be a bad neighbour or housemate etc? I doubt it. Whereas lots of white people would be assuming exactly those things, just based on this person's race.

There's a difference between judging on facts, or what appear to be facts; and judging based on pure prejudice, with no accounting for the facts at all.
 
And another thing no one really wants to talk about Cutten: Even nice, educated, moneyed black guy's commit crime in much larger numbers than whites with the same economic traits. In other words the criminal culture in the American black community is so prevalent it stretches beyond normal socio economic/educational barriers.

A middle class black will STILL commit crime at a rate higher rate than a poorer less educated white.
It's weird stuff and I don't know the explanation.

I know as an Englishman you think it's about poverty but in a place like Chicago no one is TRULY poor. We have a very wide social service net and living in a black neighborhood is quite a bit cheaper than living on the Gold Coast. IOW's we're not talking about people robbing or killing so they can eat.

Here's stories from just today's Chicago Tribune:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-teens-killed-web-jun19,0,771744.story

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-teen-shot-18-jun18,0,4925588.story

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-aurora-slaying_both_18jun18,0,7318599.story

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-elderly_woman_killedjun18,0,4228136.story
 
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

You're the single dumbest person on ET. You couldn't have made my own point better.

The "heart" of Appalachia is West Virginia.

West Virginia has a population of 1,818,470. Blacks make up around 3.5% of WV's population. In 2004 WV had 68 murders and 853 robberies.

Detroit has a population of 914,353. Exactly half that of WV. Detroit is 81% black. In 2004 Detroit suffered 385 homicides and 5,451 robberies.
Hence the homicide rate in Detroit is more than 10 times that of WV and the robbery rate almost 12x greater.

(I could've picked even worse stats than those of Detroit but I needed a population fit)

Now let's look at dollars spent per student. Detroit schools are 90% black, have an avg. of 19 students per class and spend $10,576 per pupil. Over 60% of Detroit students will drop out.

West Virginia by comparison spends just $7,501 (not a pittance/19th in the U.S.) West Virginia's drop out rate is just 18%.

So despite the fact that Detroit spends 40% more per student on education than West Virginia, Detroit is 10 times more dangerous than WV. So much for the NEA's attempts to link school funding to social achievement.

Now I'm sure you'll come from under your rock with some expletive filled, indeciphrable diatribe with non-sequiturs and personal attacks. Modus operandi of the Left.
if you put 2 parakeets in a cage and hang it in your den,there will be 2 parakeets there in the morning, if you put 30 parakeets in a cge for 2,bla ,bla,bla,there will be 25 dead ones when you wake up. Too many people in a confined space makes people scream,fight ,honk,cuss,steal,get high,and kill,. If you are in the black ghetto and recieving aid and are without an education,it's tough to get out,if you stay past the age of 12 , some social working reformers say it's already too late, a freind of mine works with cabrini green children who express themselves thru art as a means to communicate with the social worker and she says that a 4 year old black child needing her help has the same trauma going on in their head as a soldier on the frontline. There are a lot of problems not being attended to, and when something is not getting better it's getting worse ,nothing stay's the same. It's a mathematical fact that if you're born in the ghetto,your'e born f##ked.There is no money in helping the chicago black help himself,so he's left to fend for himself and fair dues to the few who make it out of hell successfully .
 
Thank's for your post but how about these questions. Aren't many places crowded without corresponding acts of wanton violence? Hong Kong? And does the South Central area of Los Angeles or Compton look crowded? It's a hell of a lot less crowded than the Wilshire Corridor or for that matter north Lake Shore Drive.

There's other things in play here besides economic conditions.
Quote from ammo:

if you put 2 parakeets in a cage and hang it in your den,there will be 2 parakeets there in the morning, if you put 30 parakeets in a cge for 2,bla ,bla,bla,there will be 25 dead ones when you wake up. Too many people in a confined space makes people scream,fight ,honk,cuss,steal,get high,and kill,. If you are in the black ghetto and recieving aid and are without an education,it's tough to get out,if you stay past the age of 12 , some social working reformers say it's already too late, a freind of mine works with cabrini green children who express themselves thru art as a means to communicate with the social worker and she says that a 4 year old black child needing her help has the same trauma going on in their head as a soldier on the frontline. There are a lot of problems not being attended to, and when something is not getting better it's getting worse ,nothing stay's the same. It's a mathematical fact that if you're born in the ghetto,your'e born f##ked.There is no money in helping the chicago black help himself,so he's left to fend for himself and fair dues to the few who make it out of hell successfully .
 
if you put 2 parakeets in a cage and hang it in your den,there will be 2 parakeets there in the morning, if you put 30 parakeets in a cge for 2,bla ,bla,bla,there will be 25 dead ones when you wake up. Too many people in a confined space makes people scream,fight ,honk,cuss,steal,get high,and kill,.

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You are wrong. This is a common misconception, if you researched urban planning, people density per acre (forgot the exact term) is zip for cause and correlation of crime.
 
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Thank's for your post but how about these questions. Aren't many places crowded without corresponding acts of wanton violence? Hong Kong? And does the South Central area of Los Angeles or Compton look crowded? It's a hell of a lot less crowded than the Wilshire Corridor or for that matter north Lake Shore Drive.

There's other things in play here besides economic conditions.

No, Past, there is no need for a vitriolic tirade, for the fate of your ideals are sealed. Most of you old farts are dying, your young women are chosing men of color. Europe is in negative population growth. Every day, every hour, your world gets just a little bit darker.

It must keep you up at night, like a splinter, in your mind.
 
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Thank's for your post but how about these questions. Aren't many places crowded without corresponding acts of wanton violence? Hong Kong? And does the South Central area of Los Angeles or Compton look crowded? It's a hell of a lot less crowded than the Wilshire Corridor or for that matter north Lake Shore Drive.

There's other things in play here besides economic conditions.
you live here pabst, you know what neighborhoods to stay out of,it's gotta be hell living there and you can't describe it any other way, people are dropped on this earth in some area and hell isn't where i would want to be born,biggotry is eating you from the inside out,it rots your mind
 
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